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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:19:00 -
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On a positive note... Don't despair! Every single one of us will find gamer bliss in the near future. Some people will biomass their clones (and regret it later) and happily dive into Destiny or The Division (looks awesome) or The Elder Scrolls Online or whatever. Many of us will happily dive into Legion. A few will get girlfriends and not have time to care anymore, but they'll be happy cuz they'll be gettin busy if y'know what I mean. Of course all of us will eventually end up back in the EVE universe because it's already got its claws in us. You'll see. You'll try to give up DUST/Legion but find that other shooters are spoiled for you now. You'll see how A-MA-ZING Legion/Valkyrie/EVE is, brood for a while and finally give in and come back into the fold. When that time comes, hit me up. I'll be the iron-fisted yet whimsical overlord of 300 crazed pirates based in the deepest reaches of -1.0 space.....and I'll have 50 million SP more than you, but I'll welcome you with open arms and show you the ropes. But don't think I'll be giving you access to the corp wallet....ever. And we'll all live happily ever after! |
Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:20:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:Dr Dammit wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.
After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome. Of course the difference being that I never once went onto the Eve forums and mocked them for it. Bite me.
It's not mocking if it's the truth. This is mocking:
"Show us on the doll where the bad capsuleer touched you." |
zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:21:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:@Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup. |
Athena Sentinel
SOE Knights Templar
315
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:22:00 -
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Market connection to EVE
There was many - you kiss ass loser |
inohahna mamotto
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:25:00 -
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why are you still trying to defend CCP? The thread name is "Name one promise ccp broke?" and guess what we named many promises they broke that enough should show you that you have already lost OP. Your fanboyness is really making me sick |
Aria Gomes
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:28:00 -
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Everything.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:29:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Everything. 42 |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:34:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Surt gods end wrote:@Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup. Look at where DUST is now. Look at where Legion is now.
If it's handled right, then sure. In a few years, this will just be a hiccup. Maybe there will be a few new statues somewhere in New Eden, honouring those who fought CCP and ultimately lost the war to keep the game on PS3. Maybe there will be one with your name on it, or even mine. And maybe some of Legion's DUST vets will have our own unique dropsuits that newer players can never get their hands on.
But right now, if we roll over and pretend this isn't a problem, and let CCP steamroll our objections, we'll get exactly what we deserve.
HTFU and fight. |
hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:35:00 -
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Lololol he called you neckbeards, then went on to talk about what CCP initally said vs. What CCP recently did skipping over the reality that they led their paying customers on by probably stating "you knew it was coming" etc. I say proabably and etc because I couldn't get past the first couple sentences after that where all assumptions and zero fact. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:35:00 -
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Also, OP, I have a question for you... |
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:41:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives. And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it *shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay* isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?" You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.
yes. that's why we're so pissed off. this is NOT what we expect from ccp. it is the opposite of what we expect.
a ten year development plan. unless it gets hard.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:47:00 -
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Monthly Updates |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:00:00 -
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I use to be a huge CCP fanboy, when Uprising launched I said give CCP time they will get Dust right. Then months past and Dust was getting worse. I said hey Eve started out rough they will get Dust fixed. You know the ten year plan.
I started noticing a horrible trend every single patch broke something. Right around August 2013 I said i don't CCP can code for the PS3. GTAV launched i left, but i always checked the forums daily.
I'm disappointed in CCP can't tell you how many Mag vets i converted to EVE Online. From this point forward I can no longer support CCP.
AS a gamer for over 30 years this is not how you treat your loyal fanbase. No matter how big or small. I can't believe anything from CCP anymore.
Anything with CCP on it i will stay far away and console gamers don't forget when a Dev/Publisher screws them over. Just ask EA the brand CCP is tarnished in the console community.
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Gemini Cuspid
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:55:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:ISuperstar wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promise... Thats exactly the ******* point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future! We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!! Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ******* platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them. Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust! Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey. They still say they don't have any plans on abandoning the console in the near future. And when Legion is released on PC you'll be able to transfer over your character with all his stuff intact. Do you want to play DUST as it was meant to be played? Then when the time comes, buy a PC (doesn't have to be top of the line) and play it. Not that important to you to play a better DUST? Sweet, go play another game on console. Everyone is taking this so personally as if CCP are like fascists declaring the supremacy of the PC Master Race and putting patches on the arms of all console players so that they can be identified as untouchable. Puh-lease!!! It has nothing to do with that! They're making the change purely because of technical limitations of the PS3! If DUST stays on the PS3 it's development will eventually reach the limits of the platform and then DUST will slowly die. They had to make the change because of hardware, software, Sony getting in the way...these kinds of things. The fact that they were committed to PS3 before means that they were optimistic and trying to make it work on PS3. It also shows their lack of foresight in contingency planning for the possibility that PS3 wouldn't work long term. That's a lot different from a LIE. And honestly, even if there was some douche among their decision makers that wasn't forthcoming when he should have been, I really don't care. I don't need devs to be moral saints. I need them to work hard to make DUST great. That's what they're trying to do, so I'm content. And by the way, when Legion comes out on PC, I will have to buy a new rig and I will do so happily.
As a PC gamer and a console [who probably has a PC that would crush yours unless you're running an 8-core i7], get off the bandwagon of the "PS3 limitations" and focus on only one point I've made throughout various posts on Dust:
technical limitation does nothing to affect public relations, game planning and direction nor imbalances present in the game. Should a commando running with 200 shield and 500 armor be attributed to the PS3 limitation? Should the inability to made an AI that avoids stacking of squads be solely caused the this devilry known as the PS3? Was it in fact the PS3 that somehow caused the assault rifle and Logi class to be broken!
OMG I SEE THE LIGHT IT WAS SONY'S FAULT ALL THE TIME AND NOT CCP'S!! OMGZ THANKS FOR THE REVELATION |
zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:04:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Surt gods end wrote:@Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup. Look at where DUST is now. Look at where Legion is now. If it's handled right, then sure. In a few years, this will just be a hiccup. Maybe there will be a few new statues somewhere in New Eden, honouring those who fought CCP and ultimately lost the war to keep the game on PS3. Maybe there will be one with your name on it, or even mine. And maybe some of Legion's DUST vets will have our own unique dropsuits that newer players can never get their hands on. But right now, if we roll over and pretend this isn't a problem, and let CCP steamroll our objections, we'll get exactly what we deserve. HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:46:00 -
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Dr Dammit wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.
After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome.
Again, if a person bought Aurum to purchase in-game items they are paying customers. Free game or not, the Aurum was not free. You can remove yourself from the pedestal now.
"CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1067
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Posted - 2014.05.07 07:01:00 -
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Just watched the Dust keynote, Legion got the trees CCP promised for Dust! I feel so betrayed.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.07 07:03:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Dear enraged neckbeards,
I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:
1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.
False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.
So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.
Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.
Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"
To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."
Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.
TL;DR: Your'e wrong. Do me a favor: Go to youtube, search for 2012 dust keynotes fanfest presentation. Watch the video - notice something? Like all the stuff coming out in 2013 that never did and are now going to be on a different platform completely? Do you remember, "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3" Stop being a fanboy. Didn't read your post btw. But the line "Only on a ps3 forum would you get away without being... blah blah" was pretty stupid, do you even internet, bro?
Here you go, fanfest 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Ozvef7CvQ#t=5287
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Rupture Reaperson
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
319
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Posted - 2014.05.07 07:21:00 -
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Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? being a fool... always a fool.
On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
398
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:41:00 -
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Rupture Reaperson wrote:Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? A ****** shot, even shittier poster. Not even the "PC mastah reis" can dissuade people of how ******* stupid you are, I thought I schooled you ass enough that maybe MAAAAAAYBE you could at least try to make sense, guess I was wrong... anyway, consumated fool... always a fool. On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking ass. What? Are you high on illegal drugs? You killed me one time in an ambush or something? No clue who you are drunky. |
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:46:00 -
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2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me.
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:49:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog. |
PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:00:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me. It's on Unreal 4 dog.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/463512406803488768
Is it dog?
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:02:00 -
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But hey it's heavily upgraded which has worked so well so far. Toodles
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:10:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:HTFU and fight. If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it. I'm talking about giving them feedback.
I'm giving them feedback.
That feedback includes "this was the worst way to handle this announcement, and you need to do something to make that right."
Also, all they've said about UE3 is that the CURRENT BUILD they used to show the project at Fanfest is on UE3, nothing about future plans being to stay with that engine.
That statement DOESN'T negate the statement that Legion is to be developed in UE4. |
PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:19:00 -
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You mean the game that doesn't exist yet and hasn't been approved by the CEO? Ok
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:23:00 -
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Also see anywhere in those twitter responses that answer the exact question? **** dust fiend the biggest legion fan boy asked him minutes after posting and neither him or any of the others got a confirmation that it will be u4 only that it's the "heavily modified" u3
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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DR FEB
Zero-Day
163
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:34:00 -
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''laser focused''
fallout 4 confirmed and being playtested :)
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5483
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:54:00 -
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Fixed. |
Rupture Reaperson
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
321
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:14:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Rupture Reaperson wrote:Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? A ****** shot, even shittier poster. Not even the "PC mastah reis" can dissuade people of how ******* stupid you are, I thought I schooled you ass enough that maybe MAAAAAAYBE you could at least try to make sense, guess I was wrong... anyway, consumated fool... always a fool. On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking ass. What? Are you high on illegal drugs? You killed me one time in an ambush or something? No clue who you are drunky.
Guess memory is a strange feature on Idiots
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