The difference is, you are a CCP fanboy attempt to position yourself for something, I have no clue what. CCP has even STATED that it is NOT THE SAME GAME. So your word over rides theirs? LOL

Bet you a dollar hes trying to brown nose to be put on Legions version of the CSM/CPM
I mean hey IRC brown nosing worked for Dusts council right

Again, no it isn't. And yes, DUST has been constantly evolving, but the devs have explicitly stated that it's NOT going to be evolving any further and Legion is going to be REPLACING it, not continuing on as the next stage of DUST's development.


No, now we have to buy a PC to play the game that DUST should have been eventually turning into, without DUST being able to ever become what it was intended to be.


I've openly said that I WANT to see what Legion SHOULD have been, which is for Legion to be the next new build for DUST.

Sure, make it on PC. Sure, rebuild from the ground up. But DON'T scrap support for the DUST while you go building a new game in its image. And DON'T stop developing the extra content that's NOT in DUST yet and SHOULD BE while working on taking that next big step.

Continue on with building DUST, and make Legion the next major build, which is what we'd all been expecting. And in the meantime, have some new content that comes into the current build of DUST on PS3. Use the PS3 version for testing some of the new things that are coming.

agreed

Wow. I'm glad you think me so capable. Sadly no.

No. We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest.

Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content?

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Have you "tasted" Legion yet? Do you know it spreads onto your toast the same way real DUST does? Are you sure it doesn't leave that filmy gunk in your mouth after a few bites?

NO. Because IT'S NOT READY YET.

We've seen a really, REALLY basic tech demo for something that's been EXPLICITLY STATED TO NOT BE DUST, but the tech demo looks the part because they've straight-up ported in-game assets from DUST on PS3 into a PC version OF THE SAME GAME ENGINE WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING ON. They've implied that the new game is meant to be built in UE4, but have also stated the demo was running in CCP's modified version of UE3, just like DUST.

So about those broken promises again...?

Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content?

Personally I enjoy DUST as it is and would be happy with just a few finishing touches like adding the rest of the heavy weapons and tanks. I would be fine playing DUST basically as-is until the PC version comes out and getting lots of big changes all at once. There are others of course that want more iteration than that. I think they have to make some business decisions and they have the info there and we don't. Also they bear the risk, so if the only feasible business decision is for them to hyper-focus on Legion so that it's ready by a reasonable release date, then that's what they need to do. If they're going to make DUST 2 they need to pull out all the stops and give it the best chance of success right at the start (a lesson from Uprising 1.0).

I agree they have to strike a balance between continuing to develop DUST on PS3 and taking it to the next level on PC. If there could be more constructive consultation about this and other issues between players and devs (which they clearly want) then we could figure out the best way to move forward. We could find that balance, filling in some important blanks in DUST and leaving the rest to be released on PC. All this rage, venom, and melodrama just detracts from that and hurts everyone. I'm sure there are some players out there--who for some reason reject the PC platform emphatically--that do just want to obstruct and hinder the process. Those of us who are still trying to assess the situation and haven't crossed over to the Dark Side of hate and rabble-rousing have the chance to be part of the conversation and to help DUST not only live but thrive for years to come.

If you're on the fence, I implore you to try to contribute to a constructive conversation and to steer clear of all the drama.

Also, CCP should hold a lottery and give winners gift certificates to Newegg.com or something. A gesture like that to encourage the community to transition to PC would send the right message. And we definitely need the Amarr and Minmatar heavy weapons on PS3 ASAP. Their tanks would be nice too.

The difference here is clearly you don't mind gaming on either system. So it makes sense that to you all that really exists is the content. You see the content you want being developed for the PC, so you're happy to see it.

But for solo-system gamers, that's not all there is. End result, they were sold on a promise/expectation of a game--a game exclusive to the PS--which is the MMOFPS sandbox in New Eden, in all that glory they sold it in. And now it's not coming. For solo-system people, this is not a casual difference.

Dear enraged neckbeards,

I challenge you to produce conclusive evidence that CCP made ANY promise to the community that they did not keep. Let's start with the most obvious:

1. True or False: CCP promised that DUST 514 would continue to be developed on the PS3 indefinitely and would never transfer to another platform.

False. All their actions show that they intended to develop it into the future on PS3. Back when they decided to develop DUST on PS3 they undoubtedly saw an opportunity and thought they were making the best choice available to them. Then after Uprising revealed the glaring flaws in the game and how far their official release of the game was from their/our vision inspired by EVE, they started iterating almost monthly in an effort to to get the game to where it needed to be. No game in history has been iterated on so frequently and gone through as many changes and transformations as DUST has in one year.

So CCP made an unprecedented effort to improve DUST and, it would seem, finally came to a breaking point where they had to make a decision: a) accept the limitations of the PS3 and just make the best game possible within those limitations or b) remake the game on PC without those limitations so that it could finally become the game that they originally intended. They chose PC.

Now, first of all, anyone who appreciates how special and amazing EVE is knows CCP would be fools to settle for less than making the EVE of shooters. They couldn't settle, so they chose to move to PC. I wouldn't want them to settle, and anyone who would just doesn't get it. If you don't get it, learn about EVE and you'll start to see how important it is that DUST move to PC so that it can become a true MMOFPS integrated with EVE....or just move on to another game on console.

Secondly, they made this decision based on real technical game development problems which they have professional knowledge of and you forum trolls have next to no understanding of. Devs say, "Well we really need to move to PC so that we can finally start to do x, y, and z with the game and finally move beyond limitations a, b, and c." Forum trolls, not understanding the techno talk and just being plain mad, say "NO! You lied! You BETRAYED us! The 514 stands for May 2014! You planned this all along, using us as guinea pigs so that you could troubleshoot for the real game you intended all the time! I'm biomassing my clone and protesting naked!"

To think that they planned this all along or were trying to milk people of money with recent events before they revealed the truth is outlandish and paranoid. Flaming trolls along these lines are just embarassing, and most of the arguments and vitriol being spewed out on these forums by the raging disappointed are ridiculous and just make the community look like a bunch of immature, self-centered neckbeards with underdeveloped social skills. Produce a shred of evidence. They have clearly said, in effect, "Yes, unless the zombie apocalypse or some crazy lawsuit from Sony keeps us from being able to do it, we will absolutely ensure that you to keep all of your SP and inventory in the PC version."

Show some class and self-respect. A PS3 FPS forum is the only place on earth that you won't be b*tchslapped for talking all your crazy sh*t and throwing such rash accusations around, and just generally being obnoxious in response to these changes. Be grateful that CCP is doing what they HAVE TO DO in order to push DUST 514 past the realm of mediocrity that it has been mired in and attempting, at their own expense, to make it a truly great and unique game that will live up to the standard set by EVE. If you don't care about DUST meeting and exceeding that standard....bye.

TL;DR: Your'e wrong.

So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company.

Yes, and it will be awesome. They "promised" (overused, childish) that they would eventually put those into the game. They will. On PC. What's your point?

10 year-plan, remember that one?

Hmm lets see

1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade.

2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened.

3. PVE- Never happened

4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading.

5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3"

6. Fighters and jetbikes

7. Commander mode- Never came out

8. Player market- Never came out

9. Huge maps- Never came out

Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more

and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion

and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion

Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures.

For someone who's limited to console only it's not a casual difference. It sucks. But at least the game will be there for you, and have more to offer you, should you have the chance to play it on PC.

No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Is it just that y'all are pissed because you don't have PCs? Or are you actually like preoperational 5 year olds that, when the water is poured from the tall thin beaker into the short fat beaker, think there's now less water? That's what I hear when people are raging, saying, "You promised these things would all come out in DUST, but NO! Now you're saying it's all gonna be in Legion! IT'S THE SAME GAME PEOPLE. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD IF YOU CAN.

Ok so apparently what all this boils down to is:

DUST will be developed indefinitely on PS3 = Promises fulfilled

DUST will move to PC = Betrayal

What I'm seeing is that every statement that is considered to be a lie is not thought to be so because they don't intend to carry it out but rather because they intend to do so on the PC platform....even though that's the only way they can actually do most of the things things they promised to do.

I guess that's where some of us will just have to agree to disagree. You see it as a betrayal and a scam. I see it as a practical necessity in order to develop the game properly. If this kind of change gets you this worked up, prepare for a lifetime of disappointment and feeling betrayed a lot. Sh*t happens and you move forward. Sometimes things don't go the way we intend them to, despite good intentions. They hit a wall with PS3 and decided to go around it instead of just sit down and make camp.

As for "scams", bad intentions, and taking advantage of the customer, if the fact that the future is on PC instead of PS3 is your grounds for such talk, sorry but it doesn't hold water. Play a better DUST on PC (with all your stuff intact) and be thankful for how much better it is, or go play another game. The End.