#1 was how long ago? How do you know they weren't? Maybe it was their laser focus on the PS3 and trying hard to make it work--and it still not working--that showed them that a change had to be made. As for Legion having been in development for a while, even now they haven't committed to it. They started Project Legion to see if it would work better than PS3 and to be able to compare the two. They did, and after some time of working on both they've concluded that a PC platform is necessary for the game to fully develop. If they weren't entirely transparent about all this....maybe mistakes were made there. I'm over it.

#2 Did they say lots of new content for DUST 514 or did they specifically say PS3? Methinks they said DUST 514, and they are still committed to providing that content for DUST 514. I reject your distinction between DUST and Legion. They are the same game, except you have to have a PC for Legion.....and it will be way better.

#3 It's easier to port a game from PC to PS4 than it is to port from PS3. They never made any promises about PS4 and that's still not in their control. CCP Rouge said (as much as he legally could) that once it's ready on PC they'll look into porting to console.

Again...same game, different platform. DUST has been constantly evolving over the past year and will continue to evolve. It will move to PC so that it can continue to do so at an accelerated pace and without previous stifling limitations.

Stop beating around the bush and throwing all these accusations around and just admit that you're just pissed because now you have buy a PC to play DUST. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Y'all are sooooo focused on the negative and on any way that you've been slighted in the least. You choose to be blind to any positives that would quell some of your rage. If you want to wallow in your misery, go right ahead, nobody can stop you. Those of us that are willing to move forward will be part of something awesome.

That's like seeing a bunch of white paste in a jar labelled "Mayonnaise", smelling it, confirming that it smells like mayonnaise, and then refusing to believe that it's not yogurt until you eat it.

Hmm lets see....

Legion will have pub matches, faction warfare, and PC. It will have all the same classes and weapons. It will have a skill tree and a fitting window. It will the have the same kind of maps and game modes. It will have corporations. It will have ISK. It will take place in the EVE universe. Assets will be lost upon death.

What else is there? Nothing. I just listed every bit of content there is in DUST 514. And they all happen to be in both games. But one of them is on PC. Is that the difference you're referring to?

If it looks, smells, and tastes like butter, it's butter as far as I'm concerned. You want to nit pick, go right ahead. I will be enjoying toast.

Ok I'm totally in agreement with you here and I think that's part of the feedback they want to hear from us. Do we want Legion developed sooner, and hence less effort put into DUST, or do we want Legion to be more gradually developed while DUST is given relatively more content?

Personally I enjoy DUST as it is and would be happy with just a few finishing touches like adding the rest of the heavy weapons and tanks. I would be fine playing DUST basically as-is until the PC version comes out and getting lots of big changes all at once. There are others of course that want more iteration than that. I think they have to make some business decisions and they have the info there and we don't. Also they bear the risk, so if the only feasible business decision is for them to hyper-focus on Legion so that it's ready by a reasonable release date, then that's what they need to do. If they're going to make DUST 2 they need to pull out all the stops and give it the best chance of success right at the start (a lesson from Uprising 1.0).

I agree they have to strike a balance between continuing to develop DUST on PS3 and taking it to the next level on PC. If there could be more constructive consultation about this and other issues between players and devs (which they clearly want) then we could figure out the best way to move forward. We could find that balance, filling in some important blanks in DUST and leaving the rest to be released on PC. All this rage, venom, and melodrama just detracts from that and hurts everyone. I'm sure there are some players out there--who for some reason reject the PC platform emphatically--that do just want to obstruct and hinder the process. Those of us who are still trying to assess the situation and haven't crossed over to the Dark Side of hate and rabble-rousing have the chance to be part of the conversation and to help DUST not only live but thrive for years to come.

If you're on the fence, I implore you to try to contribute to a constructive conversation and to steer clear of all the drama.

Also, CCP should hold a lottery and give winners gift certificates to Newegg.com or something. A gesture like that to encourage the community to transition to PC would send the right message. And we definitely need the Amarr and Minmatar heavy weapons on PS3 ASAP. Their tanks would be nice too.

[quote=Doc Browner]Name one promise they kept?

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PLATFORM SHIFT.

I think going to PC is the best part of this whole decision, but console-only players have every right to be a part of this that you do. And even if it's completely impossible to go to ps4(I can't imagine them even bothering to try after all this), I might accept that too. But they still deserved more warning than they did. I feel worse for them than I do for myself.

Sure we were stupid to believe CCP's lies, but they didn't have to completely fulfill them to win most of these people over, they just had to make an effort to end this game well, and with proper respect to their players. Apparently we're not worth that.

I would be all fanboy-ing it up in here defending CCP except for that and the other thing, how they kept this information from us while they milked all of us for extra money. That is unacceptable. After that, nothing their paid professional liars say about legion or your character investment means anything.

Ah the power of exaggeration. Translation: Devs were asked a few times if they had any plans on changing platforms. They said no, either because they hadn't decided yet or because they were legally bound by Sony to not make any such statements. Ever think that some of this may be due to legal restrictions that prohibited them from even talking about a platform change until now? Either way, how were you cheated? You were hoodwinked into having fun playing a game when you would have stopped playing it earlier? Not tragic. Tricked into buying omega boosters? Were they supposed to just stop all events on their free-to-play game until they could tell everyone about Legion? You out $10? Cry me a river. They didn't handle the transition as well as the could have. Oh well. I don't take personally what game developers do with their game, and I certainly don't have enough information upon which to base a judgement of their actions. Neither do you. How bout we let them try to make a good game and just stick to shooting things?

when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled

that is all anyone should be concerned about.

Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken

your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve.

dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players

They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken.

Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland.

I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees.

a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move)

b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed.

c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!.

d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.)

d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else.

So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives.

You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.

Look at where EVE is now. I'm not trying to minimize it. It was more than a hiccup. It was a train wreck. But it's in the past and has only made EVE stronger.....so it just feels like a hiccup.

If you're talking about giving devs feedback I'm all for it.

Its Unreal Engine 3 Stfu

So by your logic Street Fighter 2 is the same as Street Fighter 4 and they are both actually just the same game right

But the Arguments comes down to If one product has everything while the other is missing pieces why play the less quality based version? Essentially if one product is identical but superior is all respects than how is it not the same game?

Saberwing has said that because they have modified unreal 3 so much they dont see the point of using unreal 4. They would have to start again.

For example Street fighter 4 vs Street fighter 4 Ultra. Two same games with two differences. See my point now?

Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform (or be closed down), and lo and behold - it just did.

But - A promise, a roadmap, a list of "things we want to do" is not a written contract.

Nope. I never read anything about the "ten year plan", I wish I had, it would have struck me as highly suspicious. The most confusing thing about all this is how they thought they could get away with that lie. Clearly they never meant 10 years of support on the ps3, but oopsy-daisy! they forgot to clear that up with fans, and coincidentally profited from it.

Link please.

MTACs 2013 ;)