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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:44:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Hmm lets see
1. 10 year vision for Dust- They said the game would be updated and improved continually for a decade.
2.Racial parity for vehicles and weapons- never happened.
3. PVE- Never happened
4. Ran Aurum events on a dying game- technically not a lie, but it is shady and misleading.
5."LAZOR FOCUSED ON PS3"
6. Fighters and jetbikes
7. Commander mode- Never came out
8. Player market- Never came out
9. Huge maps- Never came out
Thats all I can think of in three minutes. Im sure if I went back and watched fanjets from last year I could find at least ten more
and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion
I will logi the s* out of you
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:11:00 -
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if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger.
I will logi the s* out of you
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:40:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else.
your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3.
as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same.
I will logi the s* out of you
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:16:00 -
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when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled
that is all anyone should be concerned about.
Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:41:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same. These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture. I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few. These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS. If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset. Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether.
you say ccp are basicly crap at making a FPS and that maybe so, but CCP are not trying to make an FPS. they are making a sandbox MMOFPS tied in with an MMO sandbox of a completely different play style which is ultimately more complicated to do. simple tweaks here and there for what you call basic requirements for a fps are not simple tweaks at all.
for other fps games that are complete before release taking years to make then getting an expansion 6months to a year later then replaced by a new game then yes console works great but as i said this is no FPS replaced every year by a new game. its an ever evolving game with unlimited potential which requires flexibility to succeed.
the sandbox doesn't just mould our environment in game. its evolves CCP's thinking by watching our actions. fixing and evolving on the fly like ccp has done many times in eve has made that game work where other games have died out or have grown stagnant and require replacing year in, year out.
we are not talking the likes of COD requiring replacing every year to maintain its player base and requiring a restart for every player once the new one arrives. thats the FPS everyone has come accustomed to. ccp could easily make dust like that but we would no longer have any options for linking it to the eve universe and dust would become the same old shooter as every other one out there just a different flavour.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:51:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs?
your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve.
dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:09:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. You are a moron if you think the PC has no limitations. You have to make a PC game that is playable and entertaining for the specs the majority of PC players have or your are shooting yourself in the foot as a company. "PC has no limitations" LOL are you a kid or on some sort of drugs? your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve. dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players See, now this is a guy who threw all his SP into fanboys. He can magically say whatever he feels and it becomes true. stuff like, what CCP does is art, they won't let things become stagnant *Obvious doesn't Dust much these past 2 years*, and player bases get stronger as people leave. Lol
believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution.
if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:You're all just crying that these things won't come out on PS3. They're still committed to fulfilling all of their "promises" (like they owe us promises). For example, having a player market integrated with EVE is one reason WHY they chose to move to PC, so that they can actually do it. They wanted to do it all on PS3 and couldn't. Now they're moving to PC so that they can actually fulfill their promises regarding what the game was supposed to be and you all are calling them liers. Doesn't add up. They're giving you everything they committed to and more, but because it's not exactly the way you want it you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You do realise that the game being released on the pc (if it gets the green light) is not dust , its called legion. Might have the same mechanics but it isnt DUST
and eve on mac is a different game as eve on the pc
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ADAM-OF-EVE
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 -
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next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:58:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:next evolution of dust is legion... face this simple fact But it isnt dust. Dust is a ps3 exclusive, as of now legion will be a PC exclusive. Tell me how the same game can be called something else, be on a different system and be the same game.
the game is the story, the features and how a game is played not the console it is on. legion will have all of what dust has with new advancements on every feature. change is not a new game its just plain old change. every single feature of dust, all be it changed in a small way will be in legion. that to any sane person makes dust, legion.
besides legion is the project name not the game name. who is to say it won't be eve dust514 : legion expansion
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