your missing the point.. ccp are not just making a game they are making ART and will take that art wherever it requires. if that means spec'ing up your pc then thats what they will do. it wouldn't be the first time ccp has required everyone in eve to upgrade their system. what would ccp do if your ps4 needed upgrading to bring in required features to expand their vision. they would go to PC and those that truly care for the game world they created and love will follow. those that don't will leave and the playerbase as a whole will become stronger as has been the case for 11years now with eve.

dont fool yourselfs thinking CCP will ever allow dust or any other game in their future to become stagnant with old mechanics and gfx. they will always chase perfection even at the cost of players

believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution.

if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like

They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken.

Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland.

I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees.

Maybe they should add tumbleweeds to DUST just to prove they ARE still working on new content for the game on PS3?

It pains me to even respond to such baseless accusations but it must be done. So he said that they are committed to DUST over the long term. You focus on the fact that "Legion" and "DUST" are not the same words and that one is on PC and the other on PS3 and try to incite hatred based on that. What was he supposed to say? "We are committed to EVE, Valkyrie, and...whatever we'll be calling the EVE universe MMOFPS when we decided what platform it needs to be on." When he said DUST, he meant DUST and Legion, because Legion is clearly DUST 2 on the PC. This should be obvious. It's obvious to me. You don't see the connection though and so it's a LIE and a BETRAYAL. Or maybe you're capable of perceiving the obvious and you do see the connection but you're just trying to use anything you can as a weapon against CCP because you're pissed because eventually you'll have to have a PC to play DUST.

I've never seen such petty, nit-picking, grudge-holding attempts at twisting the truth as on these forums in the past few days!!!

I don't take personally what game developers do with their game, and I certainly don't have enough information upon which to base a judgement of their actions. Neither do you. How bout we let them try to make a good game and just stick to shooting things?

believe what you want. i really don't care what you believe just like you don't care what i believe. you can sit there with a broken game like dust currently is or you can choose to accept the inevitable changes and follow dust as it moves to PC in its next evolution.

if your not willing to adapt to change then you are in with the wrong company. maybe you should move along now before the next changes you don't like

It seems you are the one who is having trouble distinguishing the difference in the two. Even when CCP( you know, the people developing both games) say they are not the same. Basically it boils down to you are a pointless troll or an idiot. I shall let you declare which on you are.

I am pretty sure he is a CCP developer alt, just talking crap on the forums. I mean no one is really this entirely thick-headed are they?
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lol someone else finally noticed how he's been replying.

He's baiting people to come take a slap at him with the title that is obviously controversial and will stir people.

He's already been shown the many lies. Has he acknowledge a single one? I believe he himself counted 4. But I will speculate no further, as it's pointless even if he was.

But, regardless, this thread should of been over. He's been shown the lies and explained too. If he refuses to accept it then he's just another fanboy.

To companies who work with him in the future - feel free to lie and cheat him all you like - he won't care as long as you keep making flashy promises.

a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move)

b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed.

c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!.

d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.)

d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else.

So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives.

Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.

After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all.

Well I don't see where else these conversations about recent goings on can go. We know all we can know right now:

a) DUST will be moving to PC and they intend to add a lot more to it (better graphics, PVE, etc. etc.) and integrate it with EVE and Valkyrie (these being explained as the reasons for the move)
b) Some people are happy about it, some people are ROYALLY pissed.
c) CCP continued to have events and encourage buying Aurum even while they were working on Project Legion. Some people attribute sinister motives to this. Some think they were just trying to keep the game interesting and give us something to do while making a little bit of money off of their free game. And some couldn't give two *****, are fine with having spent real money on the game (especially those that intend to transfer the SP they earned with omegas to Legion) and laugh heartily at talk of BETRAYAL!!!!!.
d) CCP didn't reveal Project Legion until months after they started working on it. (What influence their contract with Sony had on this is unknown.)
d) When CCP talked about their EVE universe MMOFPS they called it "DUST 514" and not something else.

So now that we know that......I guess everyone can just do whatever they want and say whatever they want until DUST 2 comes out on PC and we'll see what we've got. And some of us will give feedback to CCP and do our part to help them make the game be as good as it can be. Some others will rage until they're spent. Some people will just shoot things. As the world turns....so go the days of our lives.

You're (not "your") missing the point. CCP don't up the specs on EVE and force players out, they up the specs on EVE when more than 95% of existing players already meet the new requirements. They don't force the playerbase to upgrade to keep up. They wait for the playerbase to upgrade then work with the new tools that gives them.

You're (still not "your") missing another point too. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE DECISION TO MOVE TO PC. That was always a possibility. The lie wasn't that CCP decided to move to PC. The lie was that they told us they weren't changing platform WHILE they were already in the process of moving to PC. The lie was that they told us they were working on DUST and explicitly stated they were working on DUST while working on Legion, and they've told us that Legion is not DUST. Either they're lying about Legion not being DUST, or they were lying about working on DUST while working on Legion. There is no "they didn't lie to us" option in there.

The game was ALWAYS planned for a move to next-gen. We had been told at Sony's E3 presentation that DUST was coming to PS4. That is no longer the case, but until Fanfest, we were given no reason to believe otherwise, in spite of it not being true. CCP's failure to provide that information was a lie of omission, and at best qualifies as a violation of laws about misleading conduct in many parts of the world. At worst, there are points about which they have directly lied, making it not merely misleading, but outright false advertising.

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All that said, I'm still hoping that CCP are willing to do something to appease the playerbase, and to support us going forward. If they can do that, I'm likely to show up in Legion. But I don't currently feel like I can trust them to live up to what should be a reasonable expectation.

SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar?

SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar?

It will only help the game to have some people right at the start taking the bull by the horns and grabbing for power. It will generate emergent content faster. And the sandbox will be big enough for noobs with 1 mil SP to play in their corner with each other undisturbed until they're ready to venture out into the dangerous world...under the protective wing of this or that don from DUST.

And, as in EVE, SP advantages diminish over time. Someone with 30 mil SP will own someone with 10 mil SP, but 40 mil vs. 20 mil is more even, especially if the 20 mil guy has specialized. You stay in high sec until the lords of null sec have a use for you (which will be immediate in Legion, and we will be the lords) and then, even if you're still relatively weak, there's a place for you in the swarm, or horde, or whatever. Once the system is in place everything works within it to create emergent content. Even if some vengeful DUST players banded together to break the game and put CCP out of business, they'd just be generating emergent content. They would be putting money in CCP's pocket and helping the game. Resistance is futile.

Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us.

You're welcome.

And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it *shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay* isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?"

You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.

You act as if they're infamous for double-dealing and going back on their word, which is actually furthest from the truth when you look at their track record since 2003 (except for the Incarna hiccup, which sent them into damage control and led to a major shakeup in their staff). And your analogy here is way over the top. Ugh...I'm done trying to talk to haters.