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Mojo XXXIII
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 -
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A lie of omission is still a lie. |
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:30:00 -
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Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.
After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. |
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:31:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Trees, they promised us trees. They were supposed to be in the 1st Uprising update but all we got was grass and little shrubs.
That's all I've ever really wanted.  |
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:12:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:
and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion
Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures.
^This.
Their vision exceeds their capabilities.
I don't doubt that they were sincere when they made all of their grand promises for dust on PS3, and I fully believe that, at that time, their intention WAS to bring their vision of Dust to the PS3. Unfortunately, as was quite evident through the entire course of it's development, when push came to shove, they discovered that turning that vision into a reality was much more difficult than they initially anticipated.
CCP has some truly fantastic and innovative ideas but, when it comes to bringing those ideas to fruition, their reach simply exceeds their grasp. |
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:22:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger.
Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS.
This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:06:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:if that keynote said a total change but on ps4 no one would moan yet dust would change exactly the same. the only real issue is limitations which the PC has none
limitations in any way or form are limitations. ccp has no limitations on pc. just look at the continued evolution of eve over the years. yes its always been pc but how many times has it evolved to require more GFX and processing power. PS4 and certainly PS3 are limited in that regard.
eve is now getting 10 releases a year. how many releases do you honestly think we will receive on ps3 especially as the game gets more and more complicated and larger. Vehicle/AV balance, weapon balance, poor NPE, short-sighted flaws in the fundamenal mechanics of PC, just to name a few examples, have nothing to do with the technical limitations of the PS3 and yet CCP has failed time and time again to sufficiently address and provide effective solutions to these and many other issues fundamental to a successful FPS. This is purely a result of their inexperience and shortcomings as a FPS developer, and nothing else. your looking at limitations as just being down to gfx and processing power but its more than that (yes i only stated those 2 things in my post but that was relevant to that point). there are other limitations like having to go to sony to change things. just look how long it takes to get fixes after a patch. in eve you have a fix within a few hours. in dust it takes weeks or even months. there is also the limitations of what they can programme. for ccp they come up with all sorts of weird and wonderful programmes to fix their problems in eve as and when they arrive. they cannot do that as easy with PS3. as for their shortcomings. ccp had them in eve's birth and look at what they have now. one of the most successful games of all time. they may stumble and make mistakes in dusts but the end result will be the same.
These are just excuses. Plenty of other developers have done just fine within the confines of Sony's QA (which is ultimately in place for OUR benefit, as gamers, to ensure a funamental level of quality), and there have been countless AAA titles produced over the years using the PS3's architecture.
I'm not really even talking from a programming aspect though, it's not about the logistics of programming for the PS3, but more about what should have been basic common sense gameplay decisions: easily exploitable PC mechanics that should have been obvious, the decision to use the woefully inadequate Battle Academy as a solution for the poor NPE, the constant nerf/buff/nerf cycle of weapon balancing, to name a few.
These things have nothing to do with the limitations of Sony or the PS3, and everything to do with the basic understanding of what constitutes a fundamentally sound, enjoyable FPS.
If they couldn't handle the basics, then their grand, complex "vision" was doomed to fail from the outset.
Sure, Eve is successful, but Eve is not a FPS either, and requires a completely different approach, philosophy, and skillset to develop. Just because they made a successful space-sim, doesn't automatically mean they are capable or posses the necessary skill and understanding to create an equally successful FPS game, which is a completely different genre altogether. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:17:00 -
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They can make all the ART they want, but it won't mean squat if it's no fun to play because it's core, fundamental gameplay mechanics are broken.
Your great big sandbox will be nothing more than a great big wasteland.
I hope they're working on plenty of tumbleweeds to go along with those trees. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:01:00 -
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Dr Dammit wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.
After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all. Or maybe you should thank the Eve PC players for funding Dust in the first place (You know, CCP's paying customers). It wouldn't exist at all without us. You're welcome.
Of course the difference being that I never once went onto the Eve forums and mocked them for it.
Bite me. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:49:00 -
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Seriously? Is this thread still a thing?  |
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:05:00 -
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Dr Dammit wrote:lrian Locust wrote:Whether it's the same game or not is a moot point. It's on another platform! Suppose you buy a game for your PS3 and the seller ships you a copy for PC, stating: "Sorry, no refunds, because it's the same game."? Err... I'm pretty sure a PS4 is a different platform than a PS3. You still need to buy a new machine. Also, your example is flawed. You forgot to mention that your hypothetical seller already shipped you a PS3 copy a year ago.
Half of a PS3 copy, with assurances that it would eventually be finished one day. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:23:00 -
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Dr Dammit wrote:lrian Locust wrote:boba's fetta wrote:they have admitted they did things wrong. admitting thier mistakes deserves respect. it is the right thing to do after all. Suppose somebody swindles you out of your money with bogus promises on a 2nd hand car. Would everything be forgiven after they admit their 'mistake'? Of course not, you still want your money back and an apology! If you've been driving around in it for a year before you even notice something is wrong... no. No refund for you.
What if they promised 10 years free service as part of the sale, and then refused after only one year? |
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