"laser focused on ps3" when the truth is we are only getting minor bug fixes

ccp's been promising that we would be getting MAVs, Jets, Hoverbikes and pve for ps3 but oh wait their doing that to legion.

I agree with all of this and I am happy CCP is trying to rescue a game I love so much when most developers would just cancel a falling game completely.

The ONLY issue I have with this whole thing is the way CCP handled the announcement. It was very shady and they could have done it much, much better. I think they need to upgrade their PR department in addition to upgrading the game.

God, just after reading the first sentence I had a feeling you were a CCP nuthugger. When I scrolled down and saw you wrote half a page defending CCP's obvious scam I knew for sure.

Thats exactly the ******* point, Despite numerous warnings and Naysayers from EVE players and Early beta players, Despite the fact that it was a Known fact Next Gen consoles were to be coming out soon, CCP's Bullshit staff assured us they would be able to accomplish all this and more on PS3 and stated they Had no plans of abandoning the console in any near future!

We took their word for it and supported the game on PS3 for 2 years, Money, Time, Feedback. All a lot of effort was put into the community to help see this game progress and become better...ON PS3!!

Then shortly after we finally get all the racial suits we waited 2 years for and the first Decent update in a year, we find out that these Scumbag developers have been willy nilly coding the Game we were supposed to have for A different ******* platform with no sign of consolation for the Console players that supported them.

Do you Really think CCP Just coded that Legion prototype in just a few short months? NO! Hell no, these guys couldn't even code a simple LOGOUT BUTTON without taking 6 months! They've been working on Legion for PC for probably half a year or even more, all the while we console guinea pigs have been Beta Testing and unknowingly money feeding the Legion beta known to us as Dust!

Do you not see why I'm angry!?!? To defend their BS is shameful for anyone who took part in the Dust journey.

What promises did they break?

1. "Laser focused on PS3" - they were directly telling us that still WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEAM WAS WORKING ON THE NEW PC PROJECT INSTEAD OF THE PS3 GAME.

2. New content coming for PS3. This was promised many times over, including specific statements that the PS3 would be seeing "lots" of new content after 1.8 with ONCE AGAIN the entire plan being to focus on Legion at the time and ignore PS3 apart from minor balance tweaks and bug fixes.

3. Sony's Playstation 4 presentation included the future development of DUST 514 on that platform as a work in progress. While it's possible that WAS still the plan at the time, AS SOON AS THAT CHANGED, not telling us was a lie of omission, and pushing for us to buy more content involved USING THE EXPECTATION OF THE UPCOMING PS4 VERSION to support those sales. That makes it false advertising as well as a broken promise.

I know you only asked for one, but you got 3. Satisfied?

Instead of mocking us, maybe you PC guys should be THANKING us.

After all, if it weren't for our support and feedback over the past two years, there probably wouldn't even be an Eve: Legion coming to the PC for you guys to play at all.

They haven't released the specs yet and they themselves have no idea how resources intensive the game will be.. Doesn't have to be top of the line? lmfao you have been making assumption after assumption in this thread. People spit out facts while your fanboyism spins this web to support your own faulty arguments.

Sony is getting in the way? now your blaming another company for giving ccp a chance to tap into their playerbase of millions?! lmao. I am sure what you ment to say was "ps3". As for hardware of the ps3... I have played other ps3 games other than dust and I can say for a fact that dust has not even come close to reaching the ps3's full potential. Remember when loading contacts used to take 1minute - 2 minutes?? Then they optimized it after a year and now it took a few seconds? Remember when they said recently that they were just slapping code together for the pre-alpha and plan on optimizing later?? yea as a programmer.. you should begin with a plan. Already have the base of your code optimized. Or else you end up rewriting the code and wasting time, money, and resources. The fact is that the developers suck. Anyone with eyes and a good memory can see that. The best I can hope for is a typical game with mediocre graphics taking up incredible amount of resources.


Judging by the way you talk, there is no reasoning in the world that will make you see the light. You are deadset in believing in CCP and that is fine. Go ahead and do what you want to do.

THIS!!

Not according to CCP.

In the end, you can say whatever you want. Unless CCP makes an official statement saying that EVE: Legion is DUST 514, you not only lack a leg to stand on, but your entire argument is invalid.

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Pretty sure CCP made it clear they are 2 different games and that only a small portion of Dust would be integrated over to Legion. Not sure why you are attempting to protect CCP but facts are facts. No amount of **** swallowing can change them or a twist on words.

Actually, what you're doing is more like seeing a thick yellow substance in a tub that looks suspiciously like the ones butter comes in, but the label reads "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" and you're insisting to all of us that it IS butter and it IS made from the same things as butter and that it's not a different, but similar product at all.

Again, no it isn't. And yes, DUST has been constantly evolving, but the devs have explicitly stated that it's NOT going to be evolving any further and Legion is going to be REPLACING it, not continuing on as the next stage of DUST's development.


No, now we have to buy a PC to play the game that DUST should have been eventually turning into, without DUST being able to ever become what it was intended to be.


I've openly said that I WANT to see what Legion SHOULD have been, which is for Legion to be the next new build for DUST.

Sure, make it on PC. Sure, rebuild from the ground up. But DON'T scrap support for the DUST while you go building a new game in its image. And DON'T stop developing the extra content that's NOT in DUST yet and SHOULD BE while working on taking that next big step.

Continue on with building DUST, and make Legion the next major build, which is what we'd all been expecting. And in the meantime, have some new content that comes into the current build of DUST on PS3. Use the PS3 version for testing some of the new things that are coming.

agreed

Have you "tasted" Legion yet? Do you know it spreads onto your toast the same way real DUST does? Are you sure it doesn't leave that filmy gunk in your mouth after a few bites?

NO. Because IT'S NOT READY YET.

We've seen a really, REALLY basic tech demo for something that's been EXPLICITLY STATED TO NOT BE DUST, but the tech demo looks the part because they've straight-up ported in-game assets from DUST on PS3 into a PC version OF THE SAME GAME ENGINE WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING ON. They've implied that the new game is meant to be built in UE4, but have also stated the demo was running in CCP's modified version of UE3, just like DUST.

So about those broken promises again...?

The difference here is clearly you don't mind gaming on either system. So it makes sense that to you all that really exists is the content. You see the content you want being developed for the PC, so you're happy to see it.

But for solo-system gamers, that's not all there is. End result, they were sold on a promise/expectation of a game--a game exclusive to the PS--which is the MMOFPS sandbox in New Eden, in all that glory they sold it in. And now it's not coming. For solo-system people, this is not a casual difference.

So Saberwing straight up lied right there in print awesome. CCP what a disaster what happened to this company.

and why is it we don't have these things....simple answer is ps3 isnt upto the task. they promised us these things for dust not the ps3. legion is essentially an expansion which brings us a better version of dust with everything you listed above possible onto another platform that can support that expansion

Let be honest. It's CCP that wasn't upto the task. The PC is easier for them, the PS3 was too much of a challenge for them to develop on. It's not that the hardware couldn't handle it. Let's get real, who needs a 5x5Km map when you can never use more than 1x1km? It was tons of vision, with horrendous implementation. Sure the PS3 has it's limits, but don't blame it for CCP's failures.

Hi everyone. Me again.

Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform. Again, this doesn't mean that we're not going back to console at one point but we need to focus on one thing at a time and deliver an awesome game, then things get easier.

Now I'd like to address (or repeat) something important for me. I know that a lot of you have been really disappointed and wanted to see much more on the future of DUST 514 in its current form and I absolutely understand that feeling. But the reality is that, while it's a great shooter, I repeat that it's not the base that can give us another EVE Online with 10+ years of epic battles where players can have a great experience whether solo, as the head of the deadliest squad or largest corp in the game. Give people the right tools to manage/achieve all that. A much clearer user experience that opens up that huge universe, always discover new stuff to shoot, to loot, to sell... A social experience where corps can advertise/recruit easily, where you see the main chat going crazy with people asking for groups, selling stuff, talking ****. Some of the stuff that makes me feel like I am in an MMO. All of these aren't tweaks, they are features forming a new eco-system for the game, a foundation you can then build on. No doubt that DUST 514 is a large piece of that foundation. We've accomplished so much and I've had a ton of fun every day since beta but it is not there yet. It requires a lot of work of course but also a different approach in how we design and execute on that vision. I can go on and on about how I see this evolve but we'll cover in more depth as we start sharing ideas and designs through dev blogs and such.

Here's what you don't under ****ing stand:

For almost two years the Devs have been saying that they were 100% committed to the PS3. EVERY SINGLE TIME we asked them if Dust would be better off on a better Platform (PC, PS4). Every time they refuted that they had ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS to move Dust anytime soon. Further more they boasted of there 10 year plan.

Now all of a sudden they are doing a complete 180 on there stance.

Most people refer to this as lying.

when legion comes out on PC we will have every promise fulfilled

that is all anyone should be concerned about.

Anyone who thinks staying in the stone age on an old platform is better than moving to a much more adaptive platform like PC is deluding themselves. also any promises made by CCP were for dust not ps3 and ccp will take it anywhere it needs to go to fulfill those promises so no promises have been broken

lol someone else finally noticed how he's been replying.

He's baiting people to come take a slap at him with the title that is obviously controversial and will stir people.

He's already been shown the many lies. Has he acknowledge a single one? I believe he himself counted 4. But I will speculate no further, as it's pointless even if he was.

But, regardless, this thread should of been over. He's been shown the lies and explained too. If he refuses to accept it then he's just another fanboy.

To companies who work with him in the future - feel free to lie and cheat him all you like - he won't care as long as you keep making flashy promises.

SP And ISK will be moved to legion? Hahaha. You make a new game and have the beta of beta's have a head start? why does this idiotic concept sound so familiar?

And I suppose you're still going to be happy when CCP decide to abandon the WIndows and Mac clients for EVE Online and move exclusively to an obscure Linux variant that precisely NONE of the current playerbase are running the game through at the time, and abandon the name of the game to call it "New Eden Space Simulator (NESS)" instead, then tell everyone "oh, it's fine if you don't want to 'upgrade' to a weird OS you're completely unfamiliar with, we're still willing to transfer your account from EVE into NESS. We've made massive changes to everything going into the new game though, so it's really not EVE at all any more. You're going to love it *shows off slightly higher-definition EVE gameplay* isn't it amazing? Oh yeah, when we said we're porting your characters, we just meant the names. We'll probably try and give you some skills that sound sort of like your current ones too, and maybe a ship or two that's at least close to the ones you owned a dozen of. What do you mean you've paid for 6 months in advance because you thought we were going to continue supporting Windows? That was silly of you, wasn't it?"

@Zaxx Just a "hiccup" with incarna huh? Why do I feel you just lost some cred with your eve counter parts. lol

Everything.

Look at where DUST is now.
Look at where Legion is now.

If it's handled right, then sure. In a few years, this will just be a hiccup. Maybe there will be a few new statues somewhere in New Eden, honouring those who fought CCP and ultimately lost the war to keep the game on PS3. Maybe there will be one with your name on it, or even mine. And maybe some of Legion's DUST vets will have our own unique dropsuits that newer players can never get their hands on.

But right now, if we roll over and pretend this isn't a problem, and let CCP steamroll our objections, we'll get exactly what we deserve.

HTFU and fight.

Aww gawd you pubtrash are still around? A ****** shot, even shittier poster. Not even the "PC mastah reis" can dissuade people of how ******* stupid you are, I thought I schooled you ass enough that maybe MAAAAAAYBE you could at least try to make sense, guess I was wrong... anyway, consumated fool... always a fool.

On the other hand, glad to see Garrett still kicking ass.

2014 mentioned legion will be on u4, then yesterday the lead designer say sorry we meant u3. legion is on the same ten year old engine dust currently is on, that sounds like cutting edge PC tech to me.

I think Zaxx's crazy rubbed off on Mary, the "I dont know" is a mealy mouthed out in case he needs it
Typical CCP "I cant confirm but heres this thing thats totally happening" type of stuff really

Oh and if the janitor hears some devs talking about this or that feature while mopping the floors then yeah hes a source albeit a secondary source, actually just like Saberwing

Man this thread just turned into a box full of crazy, fan boys on their knees sucking CCP, people with facts being treated like man men raving about the end times, and others losing their **** over the definition of "Source"

Did CCP take away your Aurum? Did they close down the Dust servers? Did anyone force you to waste money on a promise of things to come? Did you seriously expect CCP to keep developing for the PS3 for ten years? It has been known for a long time that the game would migrate to a new platform (or be closed down), and lo and behold - it just did.

And yeah, I get it, CCP are effin' useless when it comes to keeping promises. Anyone who's paid any attention to how they roll would know that, and I'm sorry that you guys had to learn this the hard way. The fanfest keynote was a real **** move.

I think the right thing for CCP to do would be to refund any Aurum purchase the last month that hasn't already been lost on the battlefield. That will of course never happen, since they just took a huge hit to their finances after cancelling WoD. Their hedge fund investors probably want some returns.

But - A promise, a roadmap, a list of "things we want to do" is not a written contract.