You get a Railgun that does 1,800+ damage from 10x the range. A Large Missile Launcher that does more than that.

I'm sorry but basing an argument on three legitimate AV options: Swarms which do more damage than they honestly should, AV grenades which require you to be danger close and Forges which are actually pretty well balanced. Versus Tanks which are good for everything except AV.

I dunno what to tell you because it's not going to be what you want to hear. Obviously, CCP doesn't either.

People (Tankers mostly) are forgetting that the vehicles and WEAPONS are slated to rebalanced in the same patch.

Basically, we are going to have a whole new game when this 'patch' drops.

They want feedback.

I can only use current AV as a reference right, so unless you want me to sit back and demand the AV changes before commenting, it seems like your criticism is off base.

Railgun that can shoot other vehicles at 10x the range, testing last night, turret installation not locked onto me took me to get with 168m range with a rail gun for it to render, when locked on it rendered at 230m.... infantry rendering for the most is pathetic, then every so often the game will allow you to see them at 200m.

Large missile launchers that were changed to need virtually direct hits on infantry( a mass damage has a more effective splash system going) but good versus tanks and istallations.

dange close AV.... Or just on the other side of a wall, or in a scout suit.

Forge guns..... Still unsure about these TBO, my main issue is how cheap they are compared to turrets. Ishy FG does 100(ish) less damage than a 900k proto type rail turret. breach does 1k more damage.

Rendering, while playing into the overall balance, isn't related to vehicle balancing. It's a symptom of a disease, not the disease itself.

Just as well, Breach Forge Gun requires the user to be completely immobile and Forge Guns in their entirety require the user to move slower when charging. A small window but a window none-the-less. Even then they have a maximum range of <350m (I'm not sure of this number specifically, I just know they can't go beyond that). Fix the rendering and that's no longer a problem for Rail-guns with 600 meter (redline) range.

This is a HUGE missed opportunity for adding vehicle capacitors. CCP could reuse code from the stamina system to make it happen, and it makes so-much-more sense to balance around capacitors than long cooldowns. It gives drivers/pilots more freedom and flexibility which should help them perform better. It's easy to manage a single resource than multiple long cooldowns. It still allows for waves of opportunity and is consistent with your stated goals for vehicles. It would lead to more diversity of fittings, which should make the battlefield more interesting. It would appeal to existing EVE players and might draw them into DUST and vice-versa. It would set DUST above every other FPS in the market by having truly rich/deep tactical vehicle combat. It opens the door for so many interesting possibilities later.

There will literally never be a better time to add capacitors. It will only get harder to do later as you balance around long cooldowns timers, and may get so bad that you decide to never implement them because it would require another total rebalance. I beg you to reconsider.

Also, removing slots is stupid. It will result in very little diversity of fitting, making vehicles very similar, predictable and boring as hell.

A few things I've noticed.

Dead skills.

LAV operation, HAV operation, and Dropship operation only provide benefits at rank 1, there is no reason to rank it beyond that.


Turret operation and small turret operation provide no benefit at ranks 2, 3 AND 4, compared to rank 1.

Vehicle command, Vehicle armor upgrades, core upgrades, electronics, engineering, large turret operation, large blaster operation, large railgun operation, large missile gun operation, small blaster operation, small railgun operation, and small missile launcher operation provide NO benefit at ranks 2 and 4 over the previous ranks.



Also, the most basic variant of something should NOT require a pre-requisite skill at 5. Training something to 5 should be to become the best, at something, or to get every last bit of performance out that you can. Not just a dead pre-req.

Let's give an example. Suppose I wanted to setup a caldari tank, the way caldari do everything. With missiles! I'll want the gunnlogi, two light missile turrets, a large missile turret, and a damage booster.

Aright, to get into the hull, I need...
Vehicle command to FIVE.

Let's look at the turrets
Well, I need...
Turret operation to FIVE
and...
Small turret operation to FIVE.

hmm, well, I had better put a damage amp on it, since I'm so busy burning my SP into pre-requisites that don't do anything other than let me train something that actually matters.
For that I'll need...
Vehicle upgrades to FIVE.


That is silly.


Crank those pre-reqs down to three. Also, it really sucks when a skill is JUST a pre-requisite for other skills.

Who are you people and what have you done to the real CCP?

The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation.