As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.

recall/resummon. or.... supply depot, obviously.

Maybe this will teach tank jerks to QUIT BLOWING THEM UP!!

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.

This cries out or a test server. You want pilots to put millions of ISK on the line for your test, but already gun-shy pilots either can't or won't empty the last of their wallets for something they consider insane.

Dropship numbers will be even more skewed because so many of us veteran pilots opted out in the last respec. With no SP in vehicles we simply can't test.

You will end up with a very skewed data set if experienced pilots sit out the test and let the inexperienced lose all their ISK.

How much effort would it take to release a copy of the current client that connects to Singularity? Am I missing some technical hurdle that makes this costly in time or money? What problem could Sony have with directing a copy of an already approved client to connect to a server you already used back in closed beta if you made it invitation only?

We would love to have a test server, but at current there are a number of factors and considerations that are preventing us from running one.

Additionally, based on your feedback it seems you really want the Assault Dropship and Maurader to make quick returns. I'll make sure that gets passed on.

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.

As far as partial respecs/refunds for vehicle related stuff goes, they are on the table. No details yet, but that's because we're still discussing how we want to do it. We will let you know when we've decided how it will go down.

Full Complete 100% Refund of all SP and Full 100% Refund of all BPC items. This should be what is talked about and the complete revamp of AV to run parallel to the upcoming vehicle changings. For once lets see you guys "CCP" put out a product that is worth logging on and enjoying. There is more to add like the outcome of this change and what it will effect for vehicles. I request also that a second respect be afforded once you hammer out all of the issues with this rollout as well. Putting points into something to only have it nerfed to oblivion isn't cool and you will find more that would rather make it rain in GTA V vise on these forums with QQ from all the no lube friction they receive from faults made by CCP.

We would love to have a test server, but at current there are a number of factors and considerations that are preventing us from running one.

Additionally, based on your feedback it seems you really want the Assault Dropship and Maurader to make quick returns. I'll make sure that gets passed on.

No shield tanks will do fine. A particle cannon with 2 dmpds will do over 2400 damage per ****. An XT01 will do >3000 per volley. Both have extremely long range to keep a nlaster Maddy at bay and madrugars cannot afford to stack damage mods with so few spots. Also, 2 hardeners brings us up to 75% resistance with stacking penalties and a nitrous doubles our speed to 48m/s. Also, our passive regent is equivilemt to their complex heavy repper. As long as they don't hit us first, or get inside our effective range, we are fine. 1- a rail gun will just tickle us with our hardeners, and while the COULD stack 2 hardeners, then they ha e to choose between a 120mm plate or a complex heavy rep. They will only win in a perfect engagement when we can't get away from them, bit in a long range duel, we will be back at full shields with 2 hardeners ready to go before they are filly dropped, allowomg is the get in a better position to hit them while we hide. Caldai tanks will full fill the long range artillery role like they were intended and the gallente will fill the role of shock tanks with high speed and relatively high HP, leaving room to add the fast minmitar glass cannons that are shield tanked but lack the passive recharge to duke it out with caldari tanks is and the slow omni tanked amarr.

Char, with 2 shield hardeners you'd better hope there are no Forge Guns around, because with such a low HP ceiling the first shot will make you bite the dust. Yes, AV is most likely about to be tuned down, but without passive resistance and lower HP than what we have now, I'm pretty sure a Forge gun will insta-melt your shields and your hardeners won't save you.

Having only 3 slots you can't fit both an extender and a booster and it seems like they're going to be necessary to even poke your nose up and rail from the redline (do we really want to promote redline sniping? ).

I don't think shield HAV need to be glass cannons and armor HAV be shock tanks, CCP did not say this is their intended role. They said they want shields to be hit and run and armor to be stand and deliver.

Couple of things to keep in mind guys:

AV weapons should also be getting work done to them to bring them in line with the new numbers. Those will be posted at a later date. For now, try to focus on vehicle vs vehicle interactions.

Small arms shouldn't be able to disrupt shield recharging. I don't have the exact number for the threshold off the top of my head, but it should be enough to prevent someone from pinging you with an assault rifle to stop the recharge.

On another note, CCP Wolfman is out of his cave for a short time, so it might be a little while before he pops his head back into the thread. Keep the feedback rolling in though to make sure he's got a nice list of things to talk about when he gets back (and don't worry, there will be enough time for talking when he gets back)

That's what I've been trying to tell you guys this entire time O_o;

why can't we just have tech 1 and tch 2 of everything?

with a special nerfed set of militia gear that can be used without skill points

Instead of buying new tanks and weapons as you level up the leveling up of skills is what makes guns better.

Seriously CCP, why have M/A/P of weapons and infanty suits BUT NOT TANKS AND DROPSHIPS

PICK ONE SYSTEM

You are trying to balance infantry with a tiered system and the damage they deal to a non-tiered vehicle system...

Damage mods need to be VH
Ammo cache needs to be VL

Because masrugars have blasters and only get 600 rounds they fire at over 700RPM
Gunlogis have missiles and rails which need super high damage to be able to break through madrugar armor at range, while also having their own jardeners. I'm gonna go make some spreadsheeets tonight and see which has a better DPS/EHP/RESISTANCE ratio.