The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation.

2) A period of intense boredom for the pilot while he leaves combat to wait for his next godmode window

Hey guys

Yes, the Blaster damage numbers are likely a typo. I'll poke Wolfman and get some updated numbers when I can.

To really test the balance and get rid of the noise AV will lo have to be stripped down to the STD versions just like vehicles.

This isn't a nerf whine, but rather a realistic testing requirement unless you are trying to balance STD vehicles against PROTO AV.

You forgot to consider AV nerfs in CCP's update, post by OP is only about vehicles. AV thread should come in later, there's simply no way CCP could release the vehicles with AV being left untouched.

Hey guys

Yes, the Blaster damage numbers are likely a typo. I'll poke Wolfman and get some updated numbers when I can.

AV nerfs don't even matter. Looking at a strict vehicle vs vehicle fight it is already horrible.

DEVs can you Open up Singularity and your other test and development servers?


It would be real fun if we could play with some of the items being developed on singularity. 100isk proto gear and 100isk suites for testing. l Plus maybe seeing some of the tanks being developed would be a nice addition.

Please post planned AV weapon damages/stats so we can judge how viable vehicles will be.
Please post planned prices. I'm hoping there will be a price cut, tanks and dropships are both too expensive.

Solid logic and was going to be the basis of my own comment. I don't EVER drive vehicles, save the occasional LAV BPO to get from point A to point B. And I do not generally rush to switch into an AV fitting when dominant vehicles emerge on the field. In fact, I only have Swarms at Advanced level with zero proficiency and Militia Forge as my only AV options (use the former seldom and latter never).

But it would stand to reason that with only Militia and Standard vehicles planned to be available it is high time we remove Advanced and Proto anti-vehicle options from the game in an effort to level the playing field and provide a more dynamic experience. Seems like the sporting thing to do, does it not?

My favourite change: They simplified armor plates to Basic / Enhanced / Complex. Makes it much easier now.

PG mods are there, look beneath scanning mods on the list, also i spent some time this evening using the released numbers to throw together a couple of myron fits, i see two main areas of concern where the fitting system is, the number of modules available and their resource costs, and the resource cost of turrets. at a minimum small turrets are taking up around 250PG with maxed fitting skills, now given that dropships such as the myron only have 725PG it absolutely murders the tanking ability of the vehicle, i'd estimate that the EHP loss between a fit with no turrets and one with turrets could go up to 1000EHP easily, we essentially see a situation where you can prioritize tank over offensive capability and passenger capacity, since seats are tied to turret. i have to say that i think a reduction to the pg/cpu costs of turrets should be reduced.

the other issue i see is the lack of low cost modules, from my fitting attempts i kept running into the same situation, i would end up with not enough CPU/PG to fit modules and empty slots, sometimes 2 lows, sometimes 1 low, 1 high, right now we have things like energized plating and shield amps to fill the useful low cost niche, the removal of them will be felt, we need something to fill that niche before long otherwise slots are going to waste.

Also, I completely support the removal of the assault DS. The ADS fills a role that dropships were never designed to fill. I can wait for actual fighters, even if that means that my ADS-pilot-alt will have to retire for a while.

Armor resists look to be staying at about what they are now. Skill based resist and two carapace hardeners works out about the same as the new 60% modules, although the current have better active times and shorter cooldowns.

So all in all an armor nerf, which is just what most of us feared.

Without an AV nerf, tankers should all just quit.

The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation.