I hope so. Before they touch AV we have to see how well the new vehicles will be. And I mean we have to see it in action.

As long as proto AV is out there, these tanks, from the stats will be even bigger coffins than the current batch.

Thankfully they aren't making us beta test this stuff since we've officially released.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're addressing it, but I'm getting kind of pissed with this whole ******* process. How the **** am I supposed to decide where I want to put my SP when things change so drastically like this? I mean, to the point where many vehicles have now been removed, with the promise that they'll be back soon....hmm...I seem to remember a tank that was taken out to come back "soon"....

The Black ops HAV's got a MAJOR buff... thats why you dont see them any more

Wasn't there another class of tank that was removed as well? I could definitely be wrong.

Regardless, it's been an awful long time now to figure out how to reverse said buff :/

Marauders... they just went to the shops to get some smokes... they'll be back any min... you'll see.... YOU'LL ALL SEE!!!!

The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation.

Long time tanker here this sounds great. rail tanks have been so overpowerd due to there range and damage but hopfully ammo will make them less dominant

My small suggestion, add 1,2,3,4 for vehicle active mods. Granted this might make keyboards a tad more 'op' but i just hate the current system of middle mouse and then look at what you want most of the time causing my camera to follow which in a HAV is a pain in the wallet... i once went to use my repairer while escaping.. turret lifted up and hit a railing. Collision damage. Dead.

Thankfully they aren't making us beta test this stuff since we've officially released.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're addressing it, but I'm getting kind of pissed with this whole ******* process. How the **** am I supposed to decide where I want to put my SP when things change so drastically like this? I mean, to the point where many vehicles have now been removed, with the promise that they'll be back soon....hmm...I seem to remember a tank that was taken out to come back "soon"....

I can appreciate that you need to reduce noise in your data, but how is further limiting tankers supposed to help in that regard?

2H/3L on an armor tank? How is that going to produce any sort of variety in fits? It would seem very likely that there will be yet another stage of one fit to rule them all.

I do appreciate the irony though. People complained about not having enough PG to fill their slots, so you took the slots away. Clever.

Even temporarily, taking away assault dropships would be a crippling change to our dropship pilots: We wouldn't have a lot of reason to bring them in matches. Dropship pilots are only needed for transport for a small portion of a match.

I mean seriously, armor we could get with one plate and one repper is less than 6000.

The Logistics and Assault Dropships are going to be taken out temporarily, but they should be returning in the future. As was said in the first post, we want to go back to basics and get the core interactions working first. Then we can look at branching back out once we have a solid foundation.

Lol, lol, and lol. One use of a heat sink module and blaster ammo is gone. Fewer slots than current MLT vehicles. A Limbus now will have more slots than the Madrugar once this comes. No 180mm plate.

One good thing is that we now get fitting optimization skills to reduce resource requirements.

What we really want is explanations as to why he made the changes this way and not any other way.

I mean seriously, armor we could get with one plate and one repper is less than 6000.

Could you elaborate on the blast radius values for turrets?

Yeah, they look...odd. Maybe they're listing circumferences now

You want your nose cut off because you don't like how it looks. Why should rails be gimped because you can't be bothered to fit a tank with one?

180 plates were replaced with Complex 120's (roughly the same armor values)

Better Armor Hardeners means you can survive longer on the front-line. Resistances are always going to be better than raw HP when the **** hits the fan.

Armor resists look to be staying at about what they are now. Skill based resist and two carapace hardeners works out about the same as the new 60% modules, although the current have better active times and shorter cooldowns.

So all in all an armor nerf, which is just what most of us feared.

Without an AV nerf, tankers should all just quit.