and by the time you came out with a plan no one cared lol

Hold on...DAMAGE MODS ARE VH SLOTS!? WTFdoes madrugar get plates AND damage mods. The caldari are supposed to be the glass cannons - not gallente. What are caldari supposed to do with 2 low slots and no PG!? Put armor plates on? We can't use them.for nitrous. We can't use scanners. All we can do is use it for extra ammo, expansions, and armor modules- none of which we need. Seriously rethink this. Gallente are once again able to to everything. Having 3 damage loss doesn't mean a thing if aadruvar can have 2 AND reppers, hardeners, and plates. Lol. Change that please it would be perfectly fine if they were low slots so caldari tanks get better DPS but no- we don't. I guess I'll just stack 3 damage amps, a plate, and a passive rep BC I'm not allowed to do anything else now. I can't believe I missed that! Stop hating on caldari tanks! If we don't get d mpds in the low slots Gwe will never leave the redline BC we don't have the tank to be able to survive out there. It'll just be 3000 DMG particle cannons camping from mountains through 1.6 and onward just like we have now....except worse. Everything else looked great, honestly, but without that, we wil still be screwed. I only specced maddies BC they were obvi better like a.lot of other chrome shield tankers. Just make damage mods low and we will be fine and armor and shields will be balanced again.

I would say its fair to give all vehicle related skills a refund on their SP spent. No points need to be given back on dropsuit skills. Could also do a petition system again...but honestly, it should be just an across the board wipe for vehicle related skills.

What about the fact that they are adding more SP sinks into vehicles, so vehicle pilots who spent points on dropsuits because they had nothing else to but would of otherwise spent them on these new vehicle skill had they known?

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At first it looked like STD vehicles were hurting for high/low slots. I think we need to keep in mind that these are just STD vehicles and as with dropsuits are limited in what can be fit on them. In terms of eHP the tanks look pretty beefy and I suspect that ADV and PRO tanks to be fairly desirable provided CCP doesn't gimp their PG/CPU.

Upon careful consideration I think we should just make vehicles OP as sh*t and slowly dial them back after a few months of drowning in tears.

I think any respec should just wipe all vehicle skills, and return any SP invested into them to the unallocated pool.

Hold on...DAMAGE MODS ARE VH SLOTS!? WTFdoes madrugar get plates AND damage mods. The caldari are supposed to be the glass cannons - not gallente.

Now, vehicles might have some differences but at no point were either of them -ever- glass cannons and considering that there are no damage mods for vehicles and almost all vehicle mods are in the low slots I have no idea where you're getting this from.

As far as partial respecs/refunds for vehicle related stuff goes, they are on the table. No details yet, but that's because we're still discussing how we want to do it. We will let you know when we've decided how it will go down.

What you yapping about?

No dmg mods for vehicles? can you read?

Damage amplifiers they are called in the picture

They have been changed from vehicle low to vehicle high slots this i assume is to be more in line with dropsuits but its opposite in EVE

Thing is tho now maddys are slower with plates but can whack on a speed boost and 1 DMG mod to make it up, shield on the other hand should be faster and can also carry an ammo box but would have to sacrifice tank for speed and dmg like maddys do now

Definitely encourage you guys to come up with a more permanent solution to respec per skill/skill dependencies. Whether its only you guys resetting any skill you can and/or a player Aur reset version. It is really needed with things constantly changing and still being balanced.

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.

I was speaking currently. Lose the snarky comments, you're not impressing anyone here.

This makes sense, Caldari's being about range and considering you're not going to be putting a Blaster on a Gunnlogi I don't see what the problem is. Missiles/Rails shouldn't require speed, they require precision - this also goes with the fact that Shield Tanks are going to have a better ability to passive tank while Armor Tanks have a better active.

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.

this is why we ask for singularity to host a test server. We would love to live test these things for you guys. I'm guessing it would take at least a few months of man hours to come up with an alternate client for the test server though : / sad panda

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

So what happens to the 30 logi ships sitting in my hanger and all the SP ive dumped into them? What if I have no interest in flying normal dropships for X months while we wait for them to come back?

Finite ammunition? Is this a good thing? This is the first game that I know that does this. How are we going to refill ammunition?

I would also argue that given all the rebalancing to weapons and suits, a full respec is becoming more warranted.

As far as the removed vehicle types go, we are looking to return them. However, we need to battle test the base variants first so we have a solid platform to work from.

As far as modules go, we will also looking at returning some (but not necessarily all) of them. Again, we need to cut down and get the basics battle tested before we can throw back in all sorts of good stuff.

As good as number crunching and internal playtesting may be, it's not as good as you guys fighting each other with these vehicles live.