I have two questions. The ROF for the small blaster is .07 which doesn't make sense to me being used to bullets per minute. Also what are small turrets going to be used for if their damage is capped at 25 for every tier level. I saw that the efficiency rating was bumped up to 60% which is good, but I want to know if lav vs lav using small turrets will still be a laughable fight.

I know. With the 1.5 patch notes coming out over a week before it hits and this weeks brfore it hits.......

Who are you people and what have you done to the real CCP?

Have you missed a boatload of threads to improve tanks?

I... i.... i just noticed the large missile launcher changes

is.. is it true. they are no longer burst but non stop hail of explosive goodness

Im going to need a new pair of pants after reading this. I forgive you for removing enforcers that i skilled into. and LLAV's. My proto missile launcher is going to have much much fun

So instead of whining about it, how about you propose something different?

I... i.... i just noticed the large missile launcher changes

is.. is it true. they are no longer burst but non stop hail of explosive goodness

Im going to need a new pair of pants after reading this. I forgive you for removing enforcers that i skilled into. and LLAV's. My proto missile launcher is going to have much much fun

Clearly you haven't been reading for the past four months or so, suggestions have been made, and ignored.

My biggest suggestion was to buff shield tanks to be able to compete with armor, and then tone down AV nades and fix the rendering on swarms. Tanks are not that bad.

Instead, it looks as though we are getting stripped down to basics, with standard suit levels of survivability. There needs to be a concrete plan in place to get us our full spectrum of models ASAP, because fighting proto AV right now can be unpleasant, in these new models it will be much more difficult.

I have, because I honestly don't care. CCP has a good concept layed out and they have three months to work on it. If you don't like what they have, say something in this thread since they're asking for feedback. "Improve tanks" is largely opinionated and circumstantial with everyone wanting Tanks to be God Mode like they were when Marauders were around and "improve AV" is largely opinionated and circumstantial with everyone wanting Tanks to be paper thin.

So, do what you want because any time someone throws out an opinion in one of these threads you just spew acid all over the place. Peace, I'm out.

I have two questions. The ROF for the small blaster is .07 which doesn't make sense to me being used to bullets per minute.

Understood. But think in the specific case of the ADS there should be an exception if possible; the principle of starting from the ground up is well and good, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

The ADS is just a completely different combat role from anything else in the game. Remove enforcers? Those tankers shrug and go back to using standard tanks. Remove scout LAVs? Can use a methana. Remove LLAVs? Well, the reps were already broken so no one used them for repping anyway and people will just use a LAV. But remove ADS... there is no similar replacement and people who were ADS pilots have nothing to fall back on except changing their entire gameplay experience.

Just some honest feedback. Thanks again for the 'work in progress' update.

Resists are going to be worse. Shorter activation times, longer cooldowns, plus you won't be able to run two and modulate them, you will need each of your low slots for a specific module. So unless you want to go without reps or plates, then you only have one hardener.

Just like last time, I don't like the general look of these changes, but even with these numbers it's hard for me to evaluate properly. Things come out when playing.

Overall, I have a negative reaction to the "waves of opportunity" rework for vehicles. Things I don't like, at a glance:
* AV will chase vehicles. As soon as cooldowns are off, vehicle will die. Forge gunners and swarm launcher players can be persistent and will chase
* How useful will a passive tank be against AV? It sounds to me like it might not be at all a viable build and will be vulnerable to dying quickly
* Having to time my attack for a "wave", and make sure I know my exit path, then exit, then sit back and wait for cooldowns while dodging AV that's chasing me, sounds very much like the opposite of fun. It sounds tedious
* 36 seconds (for armour) to make your entry, make the push, then retreat. 37 seconds (with complex and skills) to hide behind buildings until you're ready for your next 36 second dart.

I probably simply don't understand. For now, I cannot see how these changes are going to be better or, more importantly, fun. I just don't "get it" though, and maybe it will all come together when it's released and the approach will click with me.

It sounds good but, I think the limited clip, ammo, and what looks like a 10 (7.5 after skills) second reload time may limit it somewhat. However, the ALPHA damage looks like it may be extreme.

If I'm reading this right with direct hit damage you could put up 6000 damage in less than 2 seconds?

Seconded

Clearly you haven't been reading for the past four months or so, suggestions have been made, and ignored.

My biggest suggestion was to buff shield tanks to be able to compete with armor, and then tone down AV nades and fix the rendering on swarms. Tanks are not that bad.

Instead, it looks as though we are getting stripped down to basics, with standard suit levels of survivability. There needs to be a concrete plan in place to get us our full spectrum of models ASAP, because fighting proto AV right now can be unpleasant, in these new models it will be much more difficult.

I need an answer to a question before evaluating: Are vehicles becoming more equipment than class?

That would explain their unified skills and pathetic survivability.

I... i.... i just noticed the large missile launcher changes

is.. is it true. they are no longer burst but non stop hail of explosive goodness

Im going to need a new pair of pants after reading this. I forgive you for removing enforcers that i skilled into. and LLAV's. My proto missile launcher is going to have much much fun

Here's my initial takes on this,

• Dropships are still getting treated like light aircrafts when they are medium aircrafts. When comparing the new base HP, the LIGHT assault vehicle still has more base HP than the MEDIUM aircraft. I understand that the dropships have more modules and CPU/PG, but the base stats should also be reflective of what they are.
• There are way too many skills that do nothing but unlock stuff. I thought we made it clear we do not want that.
• Why are all racial vehicles being unlocked with the same skill? I mean, I'm not necessarily for or against it, but there needs to be consistency. If you are going to do it this way, then apply the same concept to dropsuits. If you will not, then make each race's vehicle it's own skill. Again, consistency is key.
• Small rail turrets still appear to be useless, especially when say a small missile turret does more damage with faster rate of fire and more splash radius.
• I understand the desire to go back to the basics, but you should really reconsider keeping the assault dropships in. These are more than just a subset of dropships, they are essentially their own vehicle class all together, a quasi fighter if you will. They have become far too fundamental to keep out even if just temporarily, and keeping them in will be crucial for gathering data on vehicle-to-vehicle combat balance.

Other than that, things are looking mostly good!

This is a HUGE missed opportunity for adding vehicle capacitors. CCP could reuse code from the stamina system to make it happen, and it makes so-much-more sense to balance around capacitors than long cooldowns. It gives drivers/pilots more freedom and flexibility which should help them perform better. It's easy to manage a single resource than multiple long cooldowns. It still allows for waves of opportunity and is consistent with your stated goals for vehicles. It would lead to more diversity of fittings, which should make the battlefield more interesting. It would appeal to existing EVE players and might draw them into DUST and vice-versa. It would set DUST above every other FPS in the market by having truly rich/deep tactical vehicle combat. It opens the door for so many interesting possibilities later.

There will literally never be a better time to add capacitors. It will only get harder to do later as you balance around long cooldowns timers, and may get so bad that you decide to never implement them because it would require another total rebalance. I beg you to reconsider.

Also, removing slots is stupid. It will result in very little diversity of fitting, making vehicles very similar, predictable and boring as hell.

What is it with you infantry believing we want tanks to be indestructible? You get grenades that do ~2000 damage against armor. That's not enough?

You haven't seen AV Rebalancing yet so how do you honestly know what's going on..?

You get a Railgun that does 1,800+ damage from 10x the range. A Large Missile Launcher that does more than that.

I'm sorry but basing an argument on three legitimate AV options: Swarms which do more damage than they honestly should, AV grenades which require you to be danger close and Forges which are actually pretty well balanced. Versus Tanks which are good for everything except AV.

I dunno what to tell you because it's not going to be what you want to hear. Obviously, CCP doesn't either.