Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising.

Just curious as to what caused it.

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

ETA on 1.4?

RTFB
From the blog:
The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console!

The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system.

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

Ever considered that their might be a reason for that?

i've tested this in Uprising recently. There is SOME aim assist atm. The problem is not aim assist. It feels like my player is drunk.

I've played BF3 extensively and that has a huge amount of input lag (drunk player feeling). While I can still play pretty well on BF3, on DUST this drunken feeling has nothing to do with aim assist.

Mind you, how DICE "fixed" input lag on BF3 was to crank up the aim assist to ridiculous proportions.

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

I highly doubt that CCP ever considered console users to be "peasants of video games". Your proposed reason seems very unlikely.

Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal.

So, the answer is we could disable it, but you probably wouldn't like it.

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

Well, the mouse had one big problem: speed. It was suffering from having its speed capped quite low which made it feel very flat. In 1.4 that cap has been removed

I am an A.R. guy myself i think all this is great feedback>>I also think being able to put sights on are Assault riffles would also help on some aiming issues.Just a simple red dot like the scrambler riffle would work please ccp make this happen.In 1.4

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

ETA on 1.4?

I am an A.R. guy myself i think all this is great feedback>>I also think being able to put sights on are Assault riffles would also help on some aiming issues.Just a simple red dot like the scrambler riffle would work please ccp make this happen.In 1.4

Am i seriously the only person who doesnt mind the controlls the way they are? I use a DS3 and dont have any issues with hipfire/ads as it currently stands. My sensitivity is set to maximum, and i really enjoy the feeling i get from using different suits. My heavies "FEEL" like walking tanks, and my scouts "FEEL" like their light and nimble, with my assault suits sitting in a happy middleground. While i understand that alot of people are'nt happy with the systems as they currently are, i hope that CCP does everything they can to keep the essence of what each suit is supposed to feel like. For everyone having issues out there, i ask you to try something for me. Don't always shoot straight at your target, lead them a bit. Ya might notice something.

Ps. My primary weapons are the AR and submachine gun.

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

[...]

Also... any word on if you'll be able to fix the horrendous module/equipment wheel? Its so difficult trying to select the right piece of equipment when you have 3-4 items.

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

......The assist is therefore unintuitive/inconsistent, leading to the drunk feeling.....

Ever considered that there might be a reason for that?

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

...There are ways to make it an ergonomic choice that you can play from the couch and mouse players don't need any assistance aiming so that's a balance...

...There are ways to make it an ergonomic choice that you can play from the couch and mouse players don't need any assistance aiming so that's a balance...

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

Ever consider that those reasons are irrelevant and people should take responsibility for their inferior control choice?

Every other competitive gaming community knows this except for the console FPS community, which is still being catered to like a bunch of babies.

The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console!

And it's that kind of zenophobic attitude that PC fanbois hold, thinking that any gamer who doesn't use PC is scum when console gaming represents the larger market by far that makes us sooooo willing to listen to your torturously inept drivel.

When you reach puberty and can conserve with grown ups with reasoned and considered argument, we'll listen.

It's the racing community, the fighting game community, the flight sim community, the rhythm game community, the PC fps community, etc.

It's not just one community, it's all of them. All of them but yours. And it has very little to do with PC gaming, that's just a scapegoat you are using so you can play the victim card and try to act superior when you are actually in the wrong.

Because your community is the one who's primary demographic is whiny teenagers who need to be catered to.

I imagine I am far older and far more experienced than you in these things, so I recommend you shut your mouth now before you make yourself look even more foolish. Thanks.

Before I begin let me state that KB&M is a far better control system than a controller.

This why I have consistently said from the first time I played Dust at Fanfest 2012 that the KB&M option should've been killed.

The ONLY reason it was left in was as a way of appeasing the EVE players who went absolutely mental when it became a console exclusive. Now, Wolfman can say that isn't the case but lets just say not everyone at CCP sings from the same song sheet on this issue.

It's a console game CCP. You made the decision, now own that decision.

Trying to balance two disparate forms of control is a waste of development time and resources, especially when you consider that no one has EVER figured out how to do it before now.

KB&M users complain they're being gimped while joypad users say it doesn't feel as good as other games like Halo or COD. The solution is simple. Pick one and drop the other.

My vote goes with picking the one that comes with the PS3 in the box.

Its precisely why the majority of console are under a TV and their owner is sat on a sofa. That how they want to play the game.

As someone has already said, Planetside 2 gets it. Sony have already confirmed that PS4 and PC players will be on seperate servers. Because it will always be a fools errend trying to make both work to the satisfaction of both groups of players. It's never going to happen so why waste time.

Put all the players on the same controller and concentrate on making it as good as you can.

Until it happens you're not going to get the mass market of 'twitch' players staying with Dust.

The way i understand this is that the only thing that limits aiming speed is now the suit itself.

This is as much raw input as you can get without circumventing game mechanics. I'd consider this anything but "shafted".

Am i seriously the only person who doesnt mind the controlls the way they are? I use a DS3 and dont have any issues with hipfire/ads as it currently stands. My sensitivity is set to maximum, and i really enjoy the feeling i get from using different suits. My heavies "FEEL" like walking tanks, and my scouts "FEEL" like their light and nimble, with my assault suits sitting in a happy middleground. While i understand that alot of people are'nt happy with the systems as they currently are, i hope that CCP does everything they can to keep the essence of what each suit is supposed to feel like. For everyone having issues out there, i ask you to try something for me. Don't always shoot straight at your target, lead them a bit. Ya might notice something.

Ps. My primary weapons are the AR and submachine gun.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

*tinfoil*

This just in - CCP WOLFMAN CONFIRMS TEST SERVER INCOMING

*tinfoil*

So TL;DR is:
DS3 users can no longer compete because mouse users can do instant 360 degree turns...

Welcome to COD!

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

I think that if we can talk about this like adults.... (I hope)..... then we can solve the Controller vs Mouse & Keyboard thing once and for all....

I have played every game system since the N64. Handheld, console, computer, I have done it all. I have even played the atari and other joystick games. I worked at GameStop before as well.. So if there is one thing I know... it is how gaming works.

Okay, right now I play Call of Duty, Dust, Assassins Creed, Dynasty Warrior, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Dota 2, World of Warplanes, and one or 2 others here and there. So I play PC and PS3 right now during the weekend or off time. I use a controller on every one of those game EXCEPT League of legends and Dota 2. I PERSONALLY like to use a controller on most game, because I feel better playing with it. I have had people in GW2 kick me out of parties and stuff for using one just because they think KB/M is soooo much better. Well let me tell you something. I can live stream any time of the day me going into player vs player and destroy the other team and come out on top of mine. 1. because I know the game and 2. because I am playing the way I feel is the best FOR ME.

I tried a controller in LoL and dota, but those games are way way way better with KB/M simply because of the way it is set up. Now on GW2 I do use KB/M for certain aspects of the game based on mechanics and so on and so forth. If you are a TRUE GAMER, you would use what is best for you and welcome the chance to see other people try something that you have not seen before, because they thought of doing it and it is what helps them as a player. Who knows.... maybe if you TRIED the other options out there FOR A BIT, you may like it.

SO! the real answer to the debate is.... SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT! Just because it does not work for you does NOT mean it is how the rest of the world works.

Is aim assist significant enough to compete with kbm?

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Ask any member of the CPM as to my age. They've all met me. Kevall is my Merc name in Dust. In Eve, I'm Dennie Fleetfoot. CEO of DUST University. So my experience I'd hope, is also somewhat larger than you might imagine.

As to all the communities you mentioned...

The racing community uses a force feedback steering wheel if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The fighting community use an arcade style control stick if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The flight sim community use a flight grip and throttle control if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The rhythm game community use dance mats and custom made instrument controllers if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

Only the PC FPS, MMOG and RTS community use KB&M if they're serious about it. And usually overpriced custom ones at that.

So that's your absurd 'It's not just one community, it's all of them' nonsense blown from the water.

And did I not say that KB&M is a superior control system in my first post on this thread?

I use a KB&M when playing Eve. I use a KB&M when playing X-COM. I use it when I play Civ V. All on my PC. I use KB&M on those games because I don't need to make very fast and rapid movement and its more precise.

You'll notice that FPS games on the PC aren't on that list. Well, I play FPS games on consoles because the rapid movement I mentioned that is required for FPS, I'm unable to do using KB&M because of a physical disability that prevents me from doing so. Using a controller allows me to play them and as they game is build around that controller I don't have to worry about all the rather annoying hotkeys that plagues PC FPS games.

Its precisely because I'm forced to use a controller and consoles to play FPS that I appreciate that the superior KB&M option shouldn't be on Dust.

So I warn you now, accuse me again of, how did you put it, playing the victim card and using it as a scapegoat, when it is in fact a physical disability is what prevents me using KB&M in an FPS game, then the only person who is going to look foolish is you.

It'll also show you up as an insensitive a'hole whose opinion should be discounted as coming from such.

Thank you.

It helps, and it is an update i am looking forward to but one thing i do not like is M/KB having lighting fast reaction while DS3 remains slow. It is a known fact that makes the M/KB superior and thus an advantage.

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

Curious - Could AimAssist dynamically adjust itself to things like the current/recent rotation-speed of the user?
I.e., if the user is jerking madly (jumping-180-shots?), the aim-assist basically disables/nerfs itself?

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

My dislike towards having KB&M in Dust isn't purely based on my inability to use them (as much as I would prefer to use them) but because its symptomatic of a design based on compromise which has never worked well in design.

Nasa didn't compromise and it got them to the moon. Sir Christopher Wren didn't compromise and we got St. Paul's Cathedral.

"Compromise is but the sacrifice of one right or good in the hope retaining another - too often ending in the loss of both"

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.

May seem far fetched but we made it to the moon. (Yes we did tinfoil wearers, get over it)

No one has yet to make a game using KB&M and controller work to the satisfaction of both groups of users.

And once again I'm perfectly willing to concede that KB&M is the far superior control method and yes it is used in competitive gaming. I used a controller in the Eve/Dust tourney at Fanfest however and still came second.

But the vast majority of console FPS players use the controllers. No amount of saying how crap they are is going to change that simple fact. By compromising CCP have a gimped control and aiming system that penalises the majority of their customers.

No one has yet to make a game using KB&M and controller work to the satisfaction of both groups of users.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

The vast majority of console gamers are using a crippled contorl mechanism and only have themselves to blame for thinking it's 'decent'.

I don't play console FPS beyond a very casual couple games because controllers suck for FPS. I only take this game seriously because it allows for KB/M

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

Aim assist is not the solution we are looking for. Aim assist is a crutch used by those that are casual. We want decent aiming and fine tuning abilities like aiming in BF3.

Your imagination is somewhat lacking. This 'whiny' teenager is in fact 41. And has been playing computer games since you had program them into the computer yourself from the pages of 'Crash' or 'Your Sinclair'. As to experience I would hope someone as 'experienced' as your are would be more grown up as to tell a stranger to 'shut your mouth' from the safety of his room.

Ask any member of the CPM as to my age. They've all met me. Kevall is my Merc name in Dust. In Eve, I'm Dennie Fleetfoot. CEO of DUST University. So my experience I'd hope, is also somewhat larger than you might imagine.

As to all the communities you mentioned...

The racing community uses a force feedback steering wheel if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The fighting community use an arcade style control stick if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The flight sim community use a flight grip and throttle control if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The rhythm game community use dance mats and custom made instrument controllers if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

Only the PC FPS, MMOG and RTS community use KB&M if they're serious about it. And usually overpriced custom ones at that.

So that's your absurd 'It's not just one community, it's all of them' nonsense blown from the water.

And did I not say that KB&M is a superior control system in my first post on this thread?

I use a KB&M when playing Eve. I use a KB&M when playing X-COM. I use it when I play Civ V. All on my PC. I use KB&M on those games because I don't need to make very fast and rapid movement and its more precise.

You'll notice that FPS games on the PC aren't on that list. Well, I play FPS games on consoles because the rapid movement I mentioned that is required for FPS, I'm unable to do using KB&M because of a physical disability that prevents me from doing so. Using a controller allows me to play them and as they game is build around that controller I don't have to worry about all the rather annoying hotkeys that plagues PC FPS games.

Its precisely because I'm forced to use a controller and consoles to play FPS that I appreciate that the superior KB&M option shouldn't be on Dust.

So I warn you now, accuse me again of, how did you put it, playing the victim card and using it as a scapegoat, when it is in fact a physical disability is what prevents me using KB&M in an FPS game, then the only person who is going to look foolish is you.

It'll also show you up as an insensitive a'hole whose opinion should be discounted as coming from such.

Thank you.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

Crysknife: Scouts carry an assassin's blade which does not occupy a weapon slot.

I think it will be a pity if Scouts lose one of their major advantages.

You're Duncan Idaho! That's three Dune references in a row! The Crysknife is meant to be.

This is a console game - I could be just as d!ckish and demand that CCP drop kbm support - "You idiots learn to use a controller or go back to flying your spaceships"

Really helpful wasnt it

Ever consider that those reasons are irrelevant and people should take responsibility for their inferior control choice?

Every other competitive gaming community knows this except for the console FPS community, which is still being catered to like a bunch of babies.

You're Duncan Idaho! That's three Dune references in a row! The Crysknife is meant to be.

When two Scouts meet in combat, "may thy knife chip and shatter" should either be heard in game or flashed onscreen. This has little to do with aiming and controls, but such an opportunity to improve the game should not be squandered .

Hah yes! Take their water!

So much this...

QFT

Please Wolfman listen to these wise words.

-XOXO

Am i seriously the only person who doesnt mind the controlls the way they are?

You know what, I'm actually going to say this.

If suit-based rotation rates and mouse rotation restrictions are removed at the same time, this game really will be nothing but EVE players. Anyone with half a brain who plays with a controller or Move will just leave.

Like it or not, this is a console game. If mouse aiming has to have a slight handicap to balance the different control methods, so be it.

I have several friends who use the mouse as it currently is, and they deal with it, and perform well. The rest of you need to man up and just adapt.

Newsflash - QQ is the new HTFU

All I'm hearing here is *I'm too lazy to learn to be competitive with a real control method*.

This is an FPS. KB/M is designed for it. Devs didn't even bother making FPS for consoles until someone invented a really makeshift system with analog sticks and stuck it in Halo.

How is this QQ, this is a console game not a PC game, a K/BM should not give an advantage over a DS3 especially when it is being used on the PS3. K/BM should be removed period, you bought a console game so play it like a console game HTFU or GTFO. And yes the K/BM does give an advantage over the DS3, for starters a K/BM user can turn around practically instantly and react from fire from any direction, while a DS3 has an extremely low rotation speed that reacting from any incoming fire that's not directly infront of you is a death warrant. Also a K/BM has an advantage in CQC to mid range combat because of this games heavy focus on strafing fights and not actual gunplay. The K/BM movement speed should be just as slow as the DS3 hell maybe slower, or the DS3 needs to be faster.

All I'm hearing here is *I'm too lazy to learn to be competitive with a real control method*.

This is an FPS. KB/M is designed for it. Devs didn't even bother making FPS for consoles until someone invented a really makeshift system with analog sticks and stuck it in Halo.

See, that's going too far the other way to say it should be removed.

Obviously this is never going to be a game that caters to mouse user's "twitch reflexes", and I'm honestly fine with that. I've used my mouse in Dust before, and the only reason I didn't continue to do so is because my PS3 is downstairs, and I got tired of unplugging and replugging my mouse every time I played. The mouse controls seemed fine to me when held up against the need to balance them against controller users.

Besides, they could take mouse support out, and people would just use emulators as they've been doing for years in other console shooters. There are several varieties you can buy that allow you to plug in any mouse or keyboard and even set up macros for functions, which was part of the issue we had with the Tac AR.

I'm fine with "raw mouse input" if the suit-based rotation caps are kept.

You know what, I'm actually going to say this.

If suit-based rotation rates and mouse rotation restrictions are removed at the same time, this game really will be nothing but EVE players. Anyone with half a brain who plays with a controller or Move will just leave.

Like it or not, this is a console game. If mouse aiming has to have a slight handicap to balance the different control methods, so be it.

I have several friends who use the mouse as it currently is, and they deal with it, and perform well. The rest of you need to man up and just adapt.

So TL;DR is:
DS3 users can no longer compete because mouse users can do instant 360 degree turns...

Welcome to COD!

All I'm hearing here is *I'm too lazy to learn to be competitive with a real control method*.

This is an FPS. KB/M is designed for it. Devs didn't even bother making FPS for consoles until someone invented a really makeshift system with analog sticks and stuck it in Halo.

I'm pretty sure some EVE players would prefer it that way.

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

And they're idiots. Some of us who play EVE aren't actually in this to try and slant everything unfairly in our favor.

So the mouse will not be balanced with the controller in this aim fix. Great. Time to buy a desk, a chair, gtfo the sofa and rug and buy a goddamn KB/M. Really what you're doing here isn't fair for us console gamers.

-XOXO

When can we expect 1.4 to come out? a month after 1.3? i am really anxious for these adjustments in game mechanics but do what you gotta do to make the game feel better. heck i don't care if you need two months as long as it's properly done. Please let me know cause i am dying of curiosity.

Um. Looks like somehow the blog broke the website. I'm trying to fix it XD

Aaaand there we go.

You know what, I'm actually going to say this.

If suit-based rotation rates and mouse rotation restrictions are removed at the same time, this game really will be nothing but EVE players. Anyone with half a brain who plays with a controller or Move will just leave.

Like it or not, this is a console game. If mouse aiming has to have a slight handicap to balance the different control methods, so be it.

I have several friends who use the mouse as it currently is, and they deal with it, and perform well. The rest of you need to man up and just adapt.

As a console gamer, I do not feel allowing KB/M support on a console game is fair at all.

PS3 does not come with a gaming KB/M setup it comes with a DS3 controller.

Movement mechanics are totally different when comparing the different setups.

KB/M users, when strafing can literally stop on a dime and go the other direction without a change in speed because they can simply go from moving right > left instantly.

DS3 users must move the analog stick from far right > center > far left. This means that to shift directions we are forced to gradually slow our speed by moving back to center then gradually increase our speed to move in another direction.

These two examples are describing the differences in strafing abilities across the input methods. The effect is compounded further when you consider the KB/M users can perform instant turns at 90 degree intervals, while the DS3 takes more than twice as long to turn the same amount. Therefore even if the DS3 user has a better reaction time, it is negated in DUST 514 by his/her use of the default PS3 control input method.

This is only marginally mitigated by the fact that DS3 users have a 360 degree field of view where KB/M users as I understand do not. Given the previously stated advantages in strafing abilities combined with the faster turning abilities of KB/M users, this so called "advantage" of the DS3 is completely nullified.

In aiming the KB/M user's movement advantages work against the DS3 user's aiming mechanics which are nearly identical to the DS3 user's movement mechanics in that we must go from left > center > right to adjust our aim.

This essentially makes the DS3 users track a faster, more nimble KB/M enemy which moves completely unpredictably with slower controls, while the KB/M users enjoy tracking the slower, more predictable DS3 enemy with a more responsive, more accurate tracking input method.

In a tracking FPS like DUST 514, this creates a clear and undeniable and disparity granting advantage to KB/M users. This is completely unacceptable in a console FPS whose default input method is DS3 controller.

[...]

KB/M users, when strafing can literally stop on a dime and go the other direction without a change in speed because they can simply go from moving right > left instantly.

DS3 users must move the analog stick from far right > center > far left. This means that to shift directions we are forced to gradually slow our speed by moving back to center then gradually increase our speed to move in another direction.

[...]

You don't play a racing game on anything but a wheel input device if you're serious about it.

Same principle here.

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

You don't cater to PC gamers when making a console FPS "if you're serious about it."

Do they even make a "rifle" "pistol" or "BFG" input device for the PS3? No? Didn't think so. So no it is not the same principle here. You're argument is now invalid, sorry.

Honestly, in a racing game you could achieve more similar results between a "steering wheel" vs "DS3" than you could in an FPS when comparing "KB/M" and "DS3".

There is a reason racing games allow both the Wheel and Control Paddle input devices, while FPS games (other than DUST 514) do not allow KB/M and Control Paddle input methods. That is the simple fact that the mechanical abilities of the KB/M will always be more responsive than the mechanical abilities of a console controller.

EDIT: There is a "rifle" type of input called the "Sharpshooter" for use with the PSMove Controller. I cannot say how this functions, but would venture a guess that in operation it is more similar to the DS3 than to the KB/M. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Do you plan adding a bonus to WP gain for players who turn-off aim assists and use pad? Or malus to WP gain for players who turn-on aim assists or play with the kb/m? It seems there was no such question yet...

Beside WP gain, enhanced aim assist allows to score kills quicker, optimize ammo use (meaning even more kills) and help cloning out opposing team faster. How about reducing carrying ammo base capacity for weapons affected by aim assist when turned on?

This is not pre QQ Just an observation... I don't mind turning aim assist on...

(...)The only reason to turn off assists should be that you are so incredibly awesome with sticks, that the assists get more in your way than that they help.

I get this, makes sense, and that would cause some imbalances between controller choices we're seeing. I can't see why any of this has to be an issue. Why can't simple physics simply be applied across the board. If you write the software so that my dropsuit cannot instantly change direction (which shouldn't be possible when you factor in inertia etc.) then nobody has any disadvantage.

Maybe this is easier said than done, I dunno, I don't write software for games, but seems like mins and maxes shouldn't be applied to the controllers, but to the things being controlled.

Not to beat a dead horse but why the hell are DS3 users QQing so much you guys get a built in aimbot.... Oh I forgot according to DS3 users the mouse is practically an aimbot.... I forgot everyone on the leaderboard uses a kb/m.... **** everyone is so pro with kb/m the majority of top players in chromosome (when kb/m was basically raw input) were wait for it......... DS3 users...


I get this feeling the majority of people bitching are bad with both inputs and want that much more of an advantage with aim assist and no kb/m...

Sorry but DS3 aim assist - allows for lil to NO humam errror.. (I have mad respect for current skilled DS3 users with no aim assist)

Kb/m - is based off pure skill and human error will hurt going up against a DS3 with aim assist...

And you know what im a mouse user and could give two ***** about DS3 aim assist, if the mouse is back to chromosome standards you're getting **** on either way...

Disclaimer: if the mouse isn't back to chromosome standards (still uprising just with tweaks) and the DS3 aim assist is in full swing CCP has royally ****** kb/m users...

It's not an aimbot, learn the difference. If as a mouse user you even bat an eyelash at the assists DS3 users get, then you really aren't very good with a mouse.


Also aiming in Uprising is just fine. Yes there are better mouse controls, but I do hit what I want to hit, and if that's not good enough for you to dominate stick users (with or without aim assists), then I truly believe that you are the one disguising a lack of skill by blaming it on the input method.

"Aimbot :
An aimbot, sometimes called "auto-aim", is software used in online multiplayer first-person shooter games that assists the player in aiming at the target. Since it gives the user an advantage over unaided players, it is considered a cheat...

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Obviously aiming in uprising is not "just fine" hence the DEV BLOG

and for your sake I hope Duck Drahko is an alt account because with a 0.70 KDR you have no right even posting in defense of either input type.. Because if you're doing "good" now against DS3 users with Uprising and no aim assist holy **** I pray for you come 1.4...

Not to mention I was speaking of 1.4 if the mouse does not improve to chromosome standards, DS3 with aim assist will have an edge, because (Ill quote the dev blog for you) The current mouse mechanics are flat and have a Wobble in them..

Just to clarify, I have faith in 1.4 that the mouse will truly be refined and will be back to what it was in Chromosome... if that's the case I have no fear of "Aim assist" but like I said before, there are TONS of current Dust players that can out perform certain mouse users with out with or with out aim assist, this has been done since chromosome... Example why the whole kb/m argument is rtarded..

If you're good you're good......

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

really what is the reward for using the flaylocks? as there is no pay off in damage or splaish, and survivabilty whilst using them is going down as well. even as a secondary it wont accomplish its roll.

Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising.

Just curious as to what caused it.

Not quite sure what you mean but your speed and your targets does have an impact

Yeah, might not have been clear.

What I'd hate to see is something like more DJINN-jumpers, where people run and jump around a corner, firing - if Aim Assist suddenly meant this becomes more feasible, it would be a step in the wrong direction (it makes for stupid gameplay IMO).
Basically, that the faster you move, the less effective some of the elements (e.g. magnetism) of Aim Assist becomes...?

Alternative could be a loss of weapon-precision tied to your movement-speed, but the collective player-base would scream bloody murder if that was proposed.

Jumping madly always makes aiming harder. Why would you gimp it even more specifically for DS3 users, when mouse users have no such restrictions. If you wanted to penalise accuracy while moving fast, the only sensible way to do so is through adjusting things like weapon spread.

Edit: As for screaming bloody murder, I don't think so. Every tactical shooter I ever played had reduced weapon accuracy based on player speed/movement, I think that's pretty well accepted. In a close combat situation it won't make much difference though, because you are close enough that spray and pray becomes quite effective.

Ever consider that mice are crippled without raw input, and that trying to replace it with these 'assistance' systems is just putting a band aid on an open wound?

Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal.

Meant to? You are CLUELESS vvv

[quote=HeroicShot]This is a CONSOLE game. Console games are meant to be played with a controller. If your going to talk about things being kept the way they were meant to be, then they should take away KB/M support completely.

Console games cannot allow for KB/M support and then give it raw input as well. That would render all controller users useless. You say "Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal." I say "let the mouse users quit if they lack the skills to play a CONSOLE game the way its meant to be played (i.e. DS3 controller in this case).[/quote/

Oh **** yeah, this is such a pain trying to select a freaking repper with a mouse on my logi alt. Hotkeys or something? 1, 2, 3

I think that if we can talk about this like adults.... (I hope)..... then we can solve the Controller vs Mouse & Keyboard thing once and for all....

I have played every game system since the N64. Handheld, console, computer, I have done it all. I have even played the atari and other joystick games. I worked at GameStop before as well.. So if there is one thing I know... it is how gaming works.

Okay, right now I play Call of Duty, Dust, Assassins Creed, Dynasty Warrior, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Dota 2, World of Warplanes, and one or 2 others here and there. So I play PC and PS3 right now during the weekend or off time. I use a controller on every one of those game EXCEPT League of legends and Dota 2. I PERSONALLY like to use a controller on most game, because I feel better playing with it. I have had people in GW2 kick me out of parties and stuff for using one just because they think KB/M is soooo much better. Well let me tell you something. I can live stream any time of the day me going into player vs player and destroy the other team and come out on top of mine. 1. because I know the game and 2. because I am playing the way I feel is the best FOR ME.

I tried a controller in LoL and dota, but those games are way way way better with KB/M simply because of the way it is set up. Now on GW2 I do use KB/M for certain aspects of the game based on mechanics and so on and so forth. If you are a TRUE GAMER, you would use what is best for you and welcome the chance to see other people try something that you have not seen before, because they thought of doing it and it is what helps them as a player. Who knows.... maybe if you TRIED the other options out there FOR A BIT, you may like it.

SO! the real answer to the debate is.... SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT! Just because it does not work for you does NOT mean it is how the rest of the world works.

Well said. Been watching for someone to mention "trackball"

No, this is a console game. Mouse should be balanced with DS3 settings, because of the obvious advantage it has over the controller. In any case KB/M compatibility should be removed. It's the reason why Planetside 2 won't be merging servers with the PS4 version, because of the advantage PC players will have.

-XOXO

I totally agree ... this is a console game and so everyone should use the controller.

CCP did so many *cough* for a good balancing like the outdated SP cap (enough Protos running around) and it can't be, that a KB/M user has a way better chance to aim and kill.

Quit KB/M support and concentrate on one device and the aiming CCP

You don't cater to PC gamers when making a console FPS "if you're serious about it."

Do they even make a "rifle" "pistol" or "BFG" input device for the PS3? No? Didn't think so. So no it is not the same principle here. You're argument is now invalid, sorry.

Honestly, in a racing game you could achieve more similar results between a "steering wheel" vs "DS3" than you could in an FPS when comparing "KB/M" and "DS3".

There is a reason racing games allow both the Wheel and Control Paddle input devices, while FPS games (other than DUST 514) do not allow KB/M and Control Paddle input methods. That is the simple fact that the mechanical abilities of the KB/M will always be more responsive than the mechanical abilities of a console controller.

EDIT: There is a "rifle" type of input called the "Sharpshooter" for use with the PSMove Controller. I cannot say how this functions, but would venture a guess that in operation it is more similar to the DS3 than to the KB/M. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

And I don't believe I have yet seen a mouse with feedback capability

1. swing stick takes time & generates extra commands going from peak to peak.

Sorry to disagree with corp mate BUT...

Your complaint has less to do with KB/ and more to do with 2 simple facts:

1. swing stick takes time & generates extra commands going from peak to peak.
2. all control type are limited by ping & command rate, transmitting volume of intermediate commands compound it ,

Stick only FPS will always be a console kludge of laziness typically likely to continue being further marred by lack of GOOD controls for tweaking sticks' usable range & function (dead zone & ramped multiplier zones). I say consoles because good PC sticks typically have not only dead zone & ramps but also normal/precision setups and per game profiles in the stick's own software so even if a game skimped on configurability tweaks could be done. DS3 on a PC rocks using a fan made driver at a time when good PC stick makers are scarce.

There are several Move frames to simulate guns as well as driving wheel as there were for Wiimotes. "sharp shooter" came with Move/Eye/Nav/Socomm 4 bundle and was crap IMHO (game & sharpshooter). Unwieldy, heavy, and must stay pointed at screen or you spin uncontrollably (a Move quirk). Move is NOT an easy button and CCP has put lackluster effort into it's functionality IMHO, same was true of MAG's devs never mind BF3's total lack of it. Move is a welcomed alternative to "stick only" and in some ways is better than mouse IF dev's do the work writing good code to configure buttons & track the movement.

Move- direct input , places targeting cursor directly at @x,y pointed to like the old light guns of yore did (also digitizer tablets & touch screens do).

Mouse- relative input, generates ticks of x,y +/- movement pairs at a constant rate over distance (when not "accelerated" or "ramped") and makes a terrible replacement for self-centering joysticks as driving/flying controls. Tricks have been tried to make flying mouse usable style, all fail.

Modern digital proportional joysticks, still same old school x,y -/+ percentage relative center AKA "percentage of axis" and have advantage of self-centering & generating data from position rather than motion needed for flying & driving controls. This unlike good old "analog digital" sticks that only do on/off used in fighter arcade games.

A DS3 with proper dead zone & ramping tweak controls exposed would allow mapping stick to your liking. Want most of the motion range = 100% axis while still maintaining a small zone of finite 0-99%, fancy multi-zone ramp, or even on the fly binary 100%/0% bringing you on par with KB's left/right toggle or mouse's quick swing? Having ability to switch into digital 100%/0% mode vs. analog proportional 0-100% on the fly is a valid feature request that should exist as stick specific "run strafe vs. walk strafe" state where minimum stick wiggle would generate -100/0/+100% swing around the dead zone. Hell you could just ask to map the d-pad & be done with it because that IS on par with pressing 2 kb keys.

Fully independent axis dead, ramp, & "function" zones should be implemented right along with 100% remap ability for all input device types & button/axises just because it makes good design sense to be configurable. As it stands Move & KB players are still pretty well screwed forced to use one-size-fits-all pre-made cookie cutter mapping profiles (like bad games do to sticks).

So back off the M/KB crowd because it's no panacea either. Support for various brand gaming mice is slow coming because CCP has to (do what Windows eliminated by making hardware makers) supply drivers. Users still have to swing their hands to the right mark & continue to adjust the mouse track WITHOUT any aim assistance in a game that insists on allowing heavily lagged players who need constant lag OVERcompensation making hitting by aiming accurately a fallacy anyway. You want 180deg spin, then ask for better control over how sticks' axis map.

A DS3 with proper dead zone & ramping tweak controls exposed would allow mapping stick to your liking. Want most of the motion range = 100% axis while still maintaining a small zone of finite 0-99%, fancy multi-zone ramp, or even on the fly binary 100%/0% bringing you on par with KB's left/right toggle or mouse's quick swing? Having ability to switch into digital 100%/0% mode vs. analog proportional 0-100% on the fly is a valid feature request that should exist as stick specific "run strafe vs. walk strafe" state where minimum stick wiggle would generate -100/0/+100% swing around the dead zone.

Hell you could just ask to map the d-pad & be done with it because that IS on par with pressing 2 kb keys.

This may be possible, but again my not be due to Software limitations of the PS3. I cannot think of any PS3 game that allows movement input via D-Pad. Also, while this would eliminate the disparity in the ability to strafe, it (correct me if I am wrong) would do nothing to bring the turn speeds in line with eachother.

Try looking up some old ps1 and ps2 games... also look into the N64. many racing and fighting games on the d-pad.

This may be possible, but again my not be due to Software limitations of the PS3. I cannot think of any PS3 game that allows movement input via D-Pad. Also, while this would eliminate the disparity in the ability to strafe, it (correct me if I am wrong) would do nothing to bring the turn speeds in line with eachother.

Meant to? You are CLUELESS vvv

[quote=HeroicShot]This is a CONSOLE game. Console games are meant to be played with a controller. If your going to talk about things being kept the way they were meant to be, then they should take away KB/M support completely.

Console games cannot allow for KB/M support and then give it raw input as well. That would render all controller users useless. You say "Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal." I say "let the mouse users quit if they lack the skills to play a CONSOLE game the way its meant to be played (i.e. DS3 controller in this case).[/quote/

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

I did say PS3 games.

I'm fully aware that PS1 games use D-pad (there was no analog stick with PS1) along with some PS2 games and many N64 games.

As for PS3 being backward compatible for PS1 games, this is because of the extra hardware working with a software emulator therefore it would make sense that these PS1 classics use the D-pad on the DS3 controller. This may simply be allowed only through the PS1 software emulation.

1st, some fool decided to abandon FORCE feedback controllers so were all getting (blase) haptic now anyway.

2nd, Google a bit, Logitech made iFeel haptic feedback mouse YEARS ago.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-iFeel-Optical-Mouse-Blue-930525-0403-/290818525652?pt=Mice&hash=item43b62289d4

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

low life pc gamers are the biggest bunch of cry babies i have ever met in my life if you dont like console dont play the game go back to your pc and die a single lonely person with 10000 online friends and no real ones

hopefully soon they will do away with the mouse and key board because it has no use on a ps3 at all they all ready have a advantage in strafing left to right they still need to fix the spawn system have not saw a update on that yet the problem is they are trying to make a junk pc game they should make a console game low life pc gamers are the biggest bunch of cry babies i have ever met in my life if you dont like console dont play the game go back to your pc and die a single lonely person with 10000 online friends and no real ones

+1
Excellent info.
Wonder if would work on PS3. And how that vibration would affect aim.

This may not be possible due to technical limitations imposed by the software technology used by Sony in the PS3/DS3.