You don't cater to PC gamers when making a console FPS "if you're serious about it."

Do they even make a "rifle" "pistol" or "BFG" input device for the PS3? No? Didn't think so. So no it is not the same principle here. You're argument is now invalid, sorry.

Honestly, in a racing game you could achieve more similar results between a "steering wheel" vs "DS3" than you could in an FPS when comparing "KB/M" and "DS3".

There is a reason racing games allow both the Wheel and Control Paddle input devices, while FPS games (other than DUST 514) do not allow KB/M and Control Paddle input methods. That is the simple fact that the mechanical abilities of the KB/M will always be more responsive than the mechanical abilities of a console controller.

EDIT: There is a "rifle" type of input called the "Sharpshooter" for use with the PSMove Controller. I cannot say how this functions, but would venture a guess that in operation it is more similar to the DS3 than to the KB/M. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

And I don't believe I have yet seen a mouse with feedback capability

1. swing stick takes time & generates extra commands going from peak to peak.

Sorry to disagree with corp mate BUT...

Your complaint has less to do with KB/ and more to do with 2 simple facts:

1. swing stick takes time & generates extra commands going from peak to peak.
2. all control type are limited by ping & command rate, transmitting volume of intermediate commands compound it ,

Stick only FPS will always be a console kludge of laziness typically likely to continue being further marred by lack of GOOD controls for tweaking sticks' usable range & function (dead zone & ramped multiplier zones). I say consoles because good PC sticks typically have not only dead zone & ramps but also normal/precision setups and per game profiles in the stick's own software so even if a game skimped on configurability tweaks could be done. DS3 on a PC rocks using a fan made driver at a time when good PC stick makers are scarce.

There are several Move frames to simulate guns as well as driving wheel as there were for Wiimotes. "sharp shooter" came with Move/Eye/Nav/Socomm 4 bundle and was crap IMHO (game & sharpshooter). Unwieldy, heavy, and must stay pointed at screen or you spin uncontrollably (a Move quirk). Move is NOT an easy button and CCP has put lackluster effort into it's functionality IMHO, same was true of MAG's devs never mind BF3's total lack of it. Move is a welcomed alternative to "stick only" and in some ways is better than mouse IF dev's do the work writing good code to configure buttons & track the movement.

Move- direct input , places targeting cursor directly at @x,y pointed to like the old light guns of yore did (also digitizer tablets & touch screens do).

Mouse- relative input, generates ticks of x,y +/- movement pairs at a constant rate over distance (when not "accelerated" or "ramped") and makes a terrible replacement for self-centering joysticks as driving/flying controls. Tricks have been tried to make flying mouse usable style, all fail.

Modern digital proportional joysticks, still same old school x,y -/+ percentage relative center AKA "percentage of axis" and have advantage of self-centering & generating data from position rather than motion needed for flying & driving controls. This unlike good old "analog digital" sticks that only do on/off used in fighter arcade games.

A DS3 with proper dead zone & ramping tweak controls exposed would allow mapping stick to your liking. Want most of the motion range = 100% axis while still maintaining a small zone of finite 0-99%, fancy multi-zone ramp, or even on the fly binary 100%/0% bringing you on par with KB's left/right toggle or mouse's quick swing? Having ability to switch into digital 100%/0% mode vs. analog proportional 0-100% on the fly is a valid feature request that should exist as stick specific "run strafe vs. walk strafe" state where minimum stick wiggle would generate -100/0/+100% swing around the dead zone. Hell you could just ask to map the d-pad & be done with it because that IS on par with pressing 2 kb keys.

Fully independent axis dead, ramp, & "function" zones should be implemented right along with 100% remap ability for all input device types & button/axises just because it makes good design sense to be configurable. As it stands Move & KB players are still pretty well screwed forced to use one-size-fits-all pre-made cookie cutter mapping profiles (like bad games do to sticks).

So back off the M/KB crowd because it's no panacea either. Support for various brand gaming mice is slow coming because CCP has to (do what Windows eliminated by making hardware makers) supply drivers. Users still have to swing their hands to the right mark & continue to adjust the mouse track WITHOUT any aim assistance in a game that insists on allowing heavily lagged players who need constant lag OVERcompensation making hitting by aiming accurately a fallacy anyway. You want 180deg spin, then ask for better control over how sticks' axis map.

A DS3 with proper dead zone & ramping tweak controls exposed would allow mapping stick to your liking. Want most of the motion range = 100% axis while still maintaining a small zone of finite 0-99%, fancy multi-zone ramp, or even on the fly binary 100%/0% bringing you on par with KB's left/right toggle or mouse's quick swing? Having ability to switch into digital 100%/0% mode vs. analog proportional 0-100% on the fly is a valid feature request that should exist as stick specific "run strafe vs. walk strafe" state where minimum stick wiggle would generate -100/0/+100% swing around the dead zone.

Hell you could just ask to map the d-pad & be done with it because that IS on par with pressing 2 kb keys.

This may be possible, but again my not be due to Software limitations of the PS3. I cannot think of any PS3 game that allows movement input via D-Pad. Also, while this would eliminate the disparity in the ability to strafe, it (correct me if I am wrong) would do nothing to bring the turn speeds in line with eachother.

Try looking up some old ps1 and ps2 games... also look into the N64. many racing and fighting games on the d-pad.

This may be possible, but again my not be due to Software limitations of the PS3. I cannot think of any PS3 game that allows movement input via D-Pad. Also, while this would eliminate the disparity in the ability to strafe, it (correct me if I am wrong) would do nothing to bring the turn speeds in line with eachother.

Meant to? You are CLUELESS vvv

[quote=HeroicShot]This is a CONSOLE game. Console games are meant to be played with a controller. If your going to talk about things being kept the way they were meant to be, then they should take away KB/M support completely.

Console games cannot allow for KB/M support and then give it raw input as well. That would render all controller users useless. You say "Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal." I say "let the mouse users quit if they lack the skills to play a CONSOLE game the way its meant to be played (i.e. DS3 controller in this case).[/quote/

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

I did say PS3 games.

I'm fully aware that PS1 games use D-pad (there was no analog stick with PS1) along with some PS2 games and many N64 games.

As for PS3 being backward compatible for PS1 games, this is because of the extra hardware working with a software emulator therefore it would make sense that these PS1 classics use the D-pad on the DS3 controller. This may simply be allowed only through the PS1 software emulation.

1st, some fool decided to abandon FORCE feedback controllers so were all getting (blase) haptic now anyway.

2nd, Google a bit, Logitech made iFeel haptic feedback mouse YEARS ago.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-iFeel-Optical-Mouse-Blue-930525-0403-/290818525652?pt=Mice&hash=item43b62289d4

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

low life pc gamers are the biggest bunch of cry babies i have ever met in my life if you dont like console dont play the game go back to your pc and die a single lonely person with 10000 online friends and no real ones

hopefully soon they will do away with the mouse and key board because it has no use on a ps3 at all they all ready have a advantage in strafing left to right they still need to fix the spawn system have not saw a update on that yet the problem is they are trying to make a junk pc game they should make a console game low life pc gamers are the biggest bunch of cry babies i have ever met in my life if you dont like console dont play the game go back to your pc and die a single lonely person with 10000 online friends and no real ones

+1
Excellent info.
Wonder if would work on PS3. And how that vibration would affect aim.

This may not be possible due to technical limitations imposed by the software technology used by Sony in the PS3/DS3.

Hell you could just ask to map the d-pad & be done with it because that IS on par with pressing 2 kb keys.

Not having full control over stick is BIG issue, even if mouse is not considered. Frankly mouse & move should stay no matter if they fix joystick, I don't give a crap about perceived advantages BUT do care if CCP doesn't wise up & expose more direct tweaking of input PC style.

The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either:
a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately
b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS.

Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

This clearly shows your own bias toward Kb/M, which is fine when you are talking PC gaming. This, however is a console game.

It is not perceived advantages, but very real and apparent advantages. The instant I am facing an opponent using Kb/M, I know it. This is because of the way they are able to move. This simply should not be the case.

I shouldn't be able to tell the difference in game between someone using DS3 and someone using Kb/M, but I can and so can everybody else.

if Kb/M cannot be brought into line with DS3, or DS3 be given the movement capabilities of Kb/M, then Kb/M support should be removed entirely.

The DS3 is the only control device that comes with PS3. It is the only control device available to ALL DUST 514 players, therefore should be what all control devices are measured against. If another control device outperforms the DS3 and nothing can be done to resolve the issue, then it simply shouldn't be supported.

I've told you in voice, your a fool and your complaint is with lacking DS3 features not the KB.

So when are we getting the ability to remap controls? Okay back to your pissing contest.

Any news on keyboard and mouse change in 1.5 besides ads.. ? We need something considering DS3 aim assist .