And it's that kind of zenophobic attitude that PC fanbois hold, thinking that any gamer who doesn't use PC is scum when console gaming represents the larger market by far that makes us sooooo willing to listen to your torturously inept drivel.

When you reach puberty and can conserve with grown ups with reasoned and considered argument, we'll listen.

It's the racing community, the fighting game community, the flight sim community, the rhythm game community, the PC fps community, etc.

It's not just one community, it's all of them. All of them but yours. And it has very little to do with PC gaming, that's just a scapegoat you are using so you can play the victim card and try to act superior when you are actually in the wrong.

Because your community is the one who's primary demographic is whiny teenagers who need to be catered to.

I imagine I am far older and far more experienced than you in these things, so I recommend you shut your mouth now before you make yourself look even more foolish. Thanks.

Before I begin let me state that KB&M is a far better control system than a controller.

This why I have consistently said from the first time I played Dust at Fanfest 2012 that the KB&M option should've been killed.

The ONLY reason it was left in was as a way of appeasing the EVE players who went absolutely mental when it became a console exclusive. Now, Wolfman can say that isn't the case but lets just say not everyone at CCP sings from the same song sheet on this issue.

It's a console game CCP. You made the decision, now own that decision.

Trying to balance two disparate forms of control is a waste of development time and resources, especially when you consider that no one has EVER figured out how to do it before now.

KB&M users complain they're being gimped while joypad users say it doesn't feel as good as other games like Halo or COD. The solution is simple. Pick one and drop the other.

My vote goes with picking the one that comes with the PS3 in the box.

Its precisely why the majority of console are under a TV and their owner is sat on a sofa. That how they want to play the game.

As someone has already said, Planetside 2 gets it. Sony have already confirmed that PS4 and PC players will be on seperate servers. Because it will always be a fools errend trying to make both work to the satisfaction of both groups of players. It's never going to happen so why waste time.

Put all the players on the same controller and concentrate on making it as good as you can.

Until it happens you're not going to get the mass market of 'twitch' players staying with Dust.

The way i understand this is that the only thing that limits aiming speed is now the suit itself.

This is as much raw input as you can get without circumventing game mechanics. I'd consider this anything but "shafted".

Am i seriously the only person who doesnt mind the controlls the way they are? I use a DS3 and dont have any issues with hipfire/ads as it currently stands. My sensitivity is set to maximum, and i really enjoy the feeling i get from using different suits. My heavies "FEEL" like walking tanks, and my scouts "FEEL" like their light and nimble, with my assault suits sitting in a happy middleground. While i understand that alot of people are'nt happy with the systems as they currently are, i hope that CCP does everything they can to keep the essence of what each suit is supposed to feel like. For everyone having issues out there, i ask you to try something for me. Don't always shoot straight at your target, lead them a bit. Ya might notice something.

Ps. My primary weapons are the AR and submachine gun.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

*tinfoil*

This just in - CCP WOLFMAN CONFIRMS TEST SERVER INCOMING

*tinfoil*

So TL;DR is:
DS3 users can no longer compete because mouse users can do instant 360 degree turns...

Welcome to COD!

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

I think that if we can talk about this like adults.... (I hope)..... then we can solve the Controller vs Mouse & Keyboard thing once and for all....

I have played every game system since the N64. Handheld, console, computer, I have done it all. I have even played the atari and other joystick games. I worked at GameStop before as well.. So if there is one thing I know... it is how gaming works.

Okay, right now I play Call of Duty, Dust, Assassins Creed, Dynasty Warrior, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Dota 2, World of Warplanes, and one or 2 others here and there. So I play PC and PS3 right now during the weekend or off time. I use a controller on every one of those game EXCEPT League of legends and Dota 2. I PERSONALLY like to use a controller on most game, because I feel better playing with it. I have had people in GW2 kick me out of parties and stuff for using one just because they think KB/M is soooo much better. Well let me tell you something. I can live stream any time of the day me going into player vs player and destroy the other team and come out on top of mine. 1. because I know the game and 2. because I am playing the way I feel is the best FOR ME.

I tried a controller in LoL and dota, but those games are way way way better with KB/M simply because of the way it is set up. Now on GW2 I do use KB/M for certain aspects of the game based on mechanics and so on and so forth. If you are a TRUE GAMER, you would use what is best for you and welcome the chance to see other people try something that you have not seen before, because they thought of doing it and it is what helps them as a player. Who knows.... maybe if you TRIED the other options out there FOR A BIT, you may like it.

SO! the real answer to the debate is.... SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT! Just because it does not work for you does NOT mean it is how the rest of the world works.

Is aim assist significant enough to compete with kbm?

A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Ask any member of the CPM as to my age. They've all met me. Kevall is my Merc name in Dust. In Eve, I'm Dennie Fleetfoot. CEO of DUST University. So my experience I'd hope, is also somewhat larger than you might imagine.

As to all the communities you mentioned...

The racing community uses a force feedback steering wheel if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The fighting community use an arcade style control stick if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The flight sim community use a flight grip and throttle control if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The rhythm game community use dance mats and custom made instrument controllers if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

Only the PC FPS, MMOG and RTS community use KB&M if they're serious about it. And usually overpriced custom ones at that.

So that's your absurd 'It's not just one community, it's all of them' nonsense blown from the water.

And did I not say that KB&M is a superior control system in my first post on this thread?

I use a KB&M when playing Eve. I use a KB&M when playing X-COM. I use it when I play Civ V. All on my PC. I use KB&M on those games because I don't need to make very fast and rapid movement and its more precise.

You'll notice that FPS games on the PC aren't on that list. Well, I play FPS games on consoles because the rapid movement I mentioned that is required for FPS, I'm unable to do using KB&M because of a physical disability that prevents me from doing so. Using a controller allows me to play them and as they game is build around that controller I don't have to worry about all the rather annoying hotkeys that plagues PC FPS games.

Its precisely because I'm forced to use a controller and consoles to play FPS that I appreciate that the superior KB&M option shouldn't be on Dust.

So I warn you now, accuse me again of, how did you put it, playing the victim card and using it as a scapegoat, when it is in fact a physical disability is what prevents me using KB&M in an FPS game, then the only person who is going to look foolish is you.

It'll also show you up as an insensitive a'hole whose opinion should be discounted as coming from such.

Thank you.

It helps, and it is an update i am looking forward to but one thing i do not like is M/KB having lighting fast reaction while DS3 remains slow. It is a known fact that makes the M/KB superior and thus an advantage.