Do you plan adding a bonus to WP gain for players who turn-off aim assists and use pad? Or malus to WP gain for players who turn-on aim assists or play with the kb/m? It seems there was no such question yet...

Beside WP gain, enhanced aim assist allows to score kills quicker, optimize ammo use (meaning even more kills) and help cloning out opposing team faster. How about reducing carrying ammo base capacity for weapons affected by aim assist when turned on?

This is not pre QQ Just an observation... I don't mind turning aim assist on...

(...)The only reason to turn off assists should be that you are so incredibly awesome with sticks, that the assists get more in your way than that they help.

I get this, makes sense, and that would cause some imbalances between controller choices we're seeing. I can't see why any of this has to be an issue. Why can't simple physics simply be applied across the board. If you write the software so that my dropsuit cannot instantly change direction (which shouldn't be possible when you factor in inertia etc.) then nobody has any disadvantage.

Maybe this is easier said than done, I dunno, I don't write software for games, but seems like mins and maxes shouldn't be applied to the controllers, but to the things being controlled.

Not to beat a dead horse but why the hell are DS3 users QQing so much you guys get a built in aimbot.... Oh I forgot according to DS3 users the mouse is practically an aimbot.... I forgot everyone on the leaderboard uses a kb/m.... **** everyone is so pro with kb/m the majority of top players in chromosome (when kb/m was basically raw input) were wait for it......... DS3 users...


I get this feeling the majority of people bitching are bad with both inputs and want that much more of an advantage with aim assist and no kb/m...

Sorry but DS3 aim assist - allows for lil to NO humam errror.. (I have mad respect for current skilled DS3 users with no aim assist)

Kb/m - is based off pure skill and human error will hurt going up against a DS3 with aim assist...

And you know what im a mouse user and could give two ***** about DS3 aim assist, if the mouse is back to chromosome standards you're getting **** on either way...

Disclaimer: if the mouse isn't back to chromosome standards (still uprising just with tweaks) and the DS3 aim assist is in full swing CCP has royally ****** kb/m users...

It's not an aimbot, learn the difference. If as a mouse user you even bat an eyelash at the assists DS3 users get, then you really aren't very good with a mouse.


Also aiming in Uprising is just fine. Yes there are better mouse controls, but I do hit what I want to hit, and if that's not good enough for you to dominate stick users (with or without aim assists), then I truly believe that you are the one disguising a lack of skill by blaming it on the input method.

"Aimbot :
An aimbot, sometimes called "auto-aim", is software used in online multiplayer first-person shooter games that assists the player in aiming at the target. Since it gives the user an advantage over unaided players, it is considered a cheat...

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Obviously aiming in uprising is not "just fine" hence the DEV BLOG

and for your sake I hope Duck Drahko is an alt account because with a 0.70 KDR you have no right even posting in defense of either input type.. Because if you're doing "good" now against DS3 users with Uprising and no aim assist holy **** I pray for you come 1.4...

Not to mention I was speaking of 1.4 if the mouse does not improve to chromosome standards, DS3 with aim assist will have an edge, because (Ill quote the dev blog for you) The current mouse mechanics are flat and have a Wobble in them..

Just to clarify, I have faith in 1.4 that the mouse will truly be refined and will be back to what it was in Chromosome... if that's the case I have no fear of "Aim assist" but like I said before, there are TONS of current Dust players that can out perform certain mouse users with out with or with out aim assist, this has been done since chromosome... Example why the whole kb/m argument is rtarded..

If you're good you're good......

And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input.

Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.

really what is the reward for using the flaylocks? as there is no pay off in damage or splaish, and survivabilty whilst using them is going down as well. even as a secondary it wont accomplish its roll.

Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising.

Just curious as to what caused it.

Not quite sure what you mean but your speed and your targets does have an impact

Yeah, might not have been clear.

What I'd hate to see is something like more DJINN-jumpers, where people run and jump around a corner, firing - if Aim Assist suddenly meant this becomes more feasible, it would be a step in the wrong direction (it makes for stupid gameplay IMO).
Basically, that the faster you move, the less effective some of the elements (e.g. magnetism) of Aim Assist becomes...?

Alternative could be a loss of weapon-precision tied to your movement-speed, but the collective player-base would scream bloody murder if that was proposed.

Jumping madly always makes aiming harder. Why would you gimp it even more specifically for DS3 users, when mouse users have no such restrictions. If you wanted to penalise accuracy while moving fast, the only sensible way to do so is through adjusting things like weapon spread.

Edit: As for screaming bloody murder, I don't think so. Every tactical shooter I ever played had reduced weapon accuracy based on player speed/movement, I think that's pretty well accepted. In a close combat situation it won't make much difference though, because you are close enough that spray and pray becomes quite effective.

Ever consider that mice are crippled without raw input, and that trying to replace it with these 'assistance' systems is just putting a band aid on an open wound?

Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal.

Meant to? You are CLUELESS vvv

[quote=HeroicShot]This is a CONSOLE game. Console games are meant to be played with a controller. If your going to talk about things being kept the way they were meant to be, then they should take away KB/M support completely.

Console games cannot allow for KB/M support and then give it raw input as well. That would render all controller users useless. You say "Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal." I say "let the mouse users quit if they lack the skills to play a CONSOLE game the way its meant to be played (i.e. DS3 controller in this case).[/quote/

Oh **** yeah, this is such a pain trying to select a freaking repper with a mouse on my logi alt. Hotkeys or something? 1, 2, 3

I think that if we can talk about this like adults.... (I hope)..... then we can solve the Controller vs Mouse & Keyboard thing once and for all....

I have played every game system since the N64. Handheld, console, computer, I have done it all. I have even played the atari and other joystick games. I worked at GameStop before as well.. So if there is one thing I know... it is how gaming works.

Okay, right now I play Call of Duty, Dust, Assassins Creed, Dynasty Warrior, Guild Wars 2, League of Legends, Dota 2, World of Warplanes, and one or 2 others here and there. So I play PC and PS3 right now during the weekend or off time. I use a controller on every one of those game EXCEPT League of legends and Dota 2. I PERSONALLY like to use a controller on most game, because I feel better playing with it. I have had people in GW2 kick me out of parties and stuff for using one just because they think KB/M is soooo much better. Well let me tell you something. I can live stream any time of the day me going into player vs player and destroy the other team and come out on top of mine. 1. because I know the game and 2. because I am playing the way I feel is the best FOR ME.

I tried a controller in LoL and dota, but those games are way way way better with KB/M simply because of the way it is set up. Now on GW2 I do use KB/M for certain aspects of the game based on mechanics and so on and so forth. If you are a TRUE GAMER, you would use what is best for you and welcome the chance to see other people try something that you have not seen before, because they thought of doing it and it is what helps them as a player. Who knows.... maybe if you TRIED the other options out there FOR A BIT, you may like it.

SO! the real answer to the debate is.... SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET PEOPLE PLAY HOW THEY WANT! Just because it does not work for you does NOT mean it is how the rest of the world works.

Well said. Been watching for someone to mention "trackball"

No, this is a console game. Mouse should be balanced with DS3 settings, because of the obvious advantage it has over the controller. In any case KB/M compatibility should be removed. It's the reason why Planetside 2 won't be merging servers with the PS4 version, because of the advantage PC players will have.

-XOXO

I totally agree ... this is a console game and so everyone should use the controller.

CCP did so many *cough* for a good balancing like the outdated SP cap (enough Protos running around) and it can't be, that a KB/M user has a way better chance to aim and kill.

Quit KB/M support and concentrate on one device and the aiming CCP