A quick note. The aim assist features are tuned on a per weapon basis and we can enable/disable them on a weapon individually if we choose to. Powerful single shot weapons (listed below) have not been given the new aim assist features as we felt it would make them too powerful.

• Forge Gun
• Flaylock Pistol
• Plasma Cannon
• Sniper Rifle
• Mass Driver
• Swarm Launcher

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

Curious - Could AimAssist dynamically adjust itself to things like the current/recent rotation-speed of the user?
I.e., if the user is jerking madly (jumping-180-shots?), the aim-assist basically disables/nerfs itself?

I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard and mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.

My dislike towards having KB&M in Dust isn't purely based on my inability to use them (as much as I would prefer to use them) but because its symptomatic of a design based on compromise which has never worked well in design.

Nasa didn't compromise and it got them to the moon. Sir Christopher Wren didn't compromise and we got St. Paul's Cathedral.

"Compromise is but the sacrifice of one right or good in the hope retaining another - too often ending in the loss of both"

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.

May seem far fetched but we made it to the moon. (Yes we did tinfoil wearers, get over it)

No one has yet to make a game using KB&M and controller work to the satisfaction of both groups of users.

And once again I'm perfectly willing to concede that KB&M is the far superior control method and yes it is used in competitive gaming. I used a controller in the Eve/Dust tourney at Fanfest however and still came second.

But the vast majority of console FPS players use the controllers. No amount of saying how crap they are is going to change that simple fact. By compromising CCP have a gimped control and aiming system that penalises the majority of their customers.

No one has yet to make a game using KB&M and controller work to the satisfaction of both groups of users.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

The vast majority of console gamers are using a crippled contorl mechanism and only have themselves to blame for thinking it's 'decent'.

I don't play console FPS beyond a very casual couple games because controllers suck for FPS. I only take this game seriously because it allows for KB/M

Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.

Aim assist is not the solution we are looking for. Aim assist is a crutch used by those that are casual. We want decent aiming and fine tuning abilities like aiming in BF3.

Your imagination is somewhat lacking. This 'whiny' teenager is in fact 41. And has been playing computer games since you had program them into the computer yourself from the pages of 'Crash' or 'Your Sinclair'. As to experience I would hope someone as 'experienced' as your are would be more grown up as to tell a stranger to 'shut your mouth' from the safety of his room.

Ask any member of the CPM as to my age. They've all met me. Kevall is my Merc name in Dust. In Eve, I'm Dennie Fleetfoot. CEO of DUST University. So my experience I'd hope, is also somewhat larger than you might imagine.

As to all the communities you mentioned...

The racing community uses a force feedback steering wheel if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The fighting community use an arcade style control stick if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The flight sim community use a flight grip and throttle control if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

The rhythm game community use dance mats and custom made instrument controllers if they're serious about it, on both PC and console.

Only the PC FPS, MMOG and RTS community use KB&M if they're serious about it. And usually overpriced custom ones at that.

So that's your absurd 'It's not just one community, it's all of them' nonsense blown from the water.

And did I not say that KB&M is a superior control system in my first post on this thread?

I use a KB&M when playing Eve. I use a KB&M when playing X-COM. I use it when I play Civ V. All on my PC. I use KB&M on those games because I don't need to make very fast and rapid movement and its more precise.

You'll notice that FPS games on the PC aren't on that list. Well, I play FPS games on consoles because the rapid movement I mentioned that is required for FPS, I'm unable to do using KB&M because of a physical disability that prevents me from doing so. Using a controller allows me to play them and as they game is build around that controller I don't have to worry about all the rather annoying hotkeys that plagues PC FPS games.

Its precisely because I'm forced to use a controller and consoles to play FPS that I appreciate that the superior KB&M option shouldn't be on Dust.

So I warn you now, accuse me again of, how did you put it, playing the victim card and using it as a scapegoat, when it is in fact a physical disability is what prevents me using KB&M in an FPS game, then the only person who is going to look foolish is you.

It'll also show you up as an insensitive a'hole whose opinion should be discounted as coming from such.

Thank you.

Lots of questions, hereGÇÖs an attempt to answer the main ones I sawGǪ

• Is there a DS3 sensitivity increase GÇô Not yet. Keep in mind I am talking about work that is still in progress and being tested. IGÇÖve found the assists do allow me to play more easily with higher sensitivity settings which is cool. This tempted me to increase them across the board but I decided we shouldnGÇÖt change too many different things all at once. You can of course still bump them up pretty high.


• Separate sensitivity setting for ADS GÇô We would like to add this, we donGÇÖt have time to in 1.4 though.


• Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.


• Aim assists already in the game GÇô aiming friction is still active in the game. This slows your input when close to a target so it is easier to get on and stay on target.


• Turn all aim assist off option GÇô Yes you will be able to turn off all aim assists for the pad. Currently they are all either on or off. In a future release we would like to provide low/medium/high choices.


• Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.


• Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.


• Mouse and sensitivity settings - Overall sensitivity settings are higher than they were before. Quality of mouse does make a big difference, for example, the Razer Taipan feels a lot better than the budgetastic crap mouse that I also test with.


• Mouse and aim assist GÇô The mouse gets no aim assists at all. None. Zero.


• Knives GÇô the new aim assists do not apply to knives. Melee actually has a separate aim assist system that helps you turn to strike. Currently it doesnGÇÖt apply to the knives. It is on our list to fix this.


• Testing GÇô We are testing this internally but as always the real test will be when it goes live. We would love to have test servers but currently that isnGÇÖt possible. This is one of the reasons why we have switched to this faster release cadence. We can deploy this, see the results, get your feedback, and react quickly in the next update.

Hope that helps

CCP Wolfman

Crysknife: Scouts carry an assassin's blade which does not occupy a weapon slot.

I think it will be a pity if Scouts lose one of their major advantages.

You're Duncan Idaho! That's three Dune references in a row! The Crysknife is meant to be.

This is a console game - I could be just as d!ckish and demand that CCP drop kbm support - "You idiots learn to use a controller or go back to flying your spaceships"

Really helpful wasnt it

Ever consider that those reasons are irrelevant and people should take responsibility for their inferior control choice?

Every other competitive gaming community knows this except for the console FPS community, which is still being catered to like a bunch of babies.

You're Duncan Idaho! That's three Dune references in a row! The Crysknife is meant to be.

When two Scouts meet in combat, "may thy knife chip and shatter" should either be heard in game or flashed onscreen. This has little to do with aiming and controls, but such an opportunity to improve the game should not be squandered .