DUST Search - Announcement:Dev Blog: Fine-tune Aiming and Controls

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising.

Just curious as to what caused it.

RTFB
From the blog:
The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console!

The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system.

i've tested this in Uprising recently. There is SOME aim assist atm. The problem is not aim assist. It feels like my player is drunk.

I've played BF3 extensively and that has a huge amount of input lag (drunk player feeling). While I can still play pretty well on BF3, on DUST this drunken feeling has nothing to do with aim assist.

Mind you, how DICE "fixed" input lag on BF3 was to crank up the aim assist to ridiculous proportions.

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CCP Mintchip C C P C C P Alliance 849	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:37:00 - [1] - Quote Aiming is one of those things that is almost completely entirely essential in a FPS game. You agree, I agree, and CCP Wolfman agrees! He explains more about fine tuning the aiming and controls for DUST514 in this new dev blog that you will definitely want to read. CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep

N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 850	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:38:00 - [2] - Quote Aiming eh? Let's hope it improves soon. Btw dev blog ain't there
itsmellslikefish DIOS X. II Top Men. 148	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:39:00 - [3] - Quote Aw story not found.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2525	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote Um. Looks like somehow the blog broke the website. I'm trying to fix it XD EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents


CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2525	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:45:00 - [5] - Quote Aaaand there we go. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:51:00 - [6] - Quote The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either: a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS. Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up!

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 701	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Nice! Looking forward to see how the new mouse turns out. /c

danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 127	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:53:00 - [8] - Quote ETA on 1.4?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3117	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:55:00 - [9] - Quote Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising. Just curious as to what caused it.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:57:00 - [10] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising. Just curious as to what caused it. RTFB From the blog: The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console! The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 977	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:58:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The dev blog doesn't mention one thing that I feel to be of critical importance: separate sensitivities for ADS and hip fire. Right now, we're forced to choose between overly sensitive hip fire with good ADS, and good hip fire with extremely sluggish ADS. Please allow us to either: a. Set ADS and non-ADS sensitivity separately b. Set the multiplier applied to non-ADS sensitivity when in ADS. Still, overall, I'm glad to see these changes coming. It's gratifying to see my AUR purchases building a better game. Good work and keep it up! yup.. well im going to wait for the rage to come in from this anyways.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 236	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:04:00 - [12] - Quote And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 462	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:05:00 - [13] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: ETA on 1.4? Probably late August to early September.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3117	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:06:00 - [14] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising. Just curious as to what caused it. RTFB From the blog: The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console! The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system. i've tested this in Uprising recently. There is SOME aim assist atm. The problem is not aim assist. It feels like my player is drunk. I've played BF3 extensively and that has a huge amount of input lag (drunk player feeling). While I can still play pretty well on BF3, on DUST this drunken feeling has nothing to do with aim assist. Mind you, how DICE "fixed" input lag on BF3 was to crank up the aim assist to ridiculous proportions.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 462	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:06:00 - [15] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE. Ever considered that their might be a reason for that?
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 236	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:12:00 - [16] - Quote Ever consider that mice are crippled without raw input, and that trying to replace it with these 'assistance' systems is just putting a band aid on an open wound? Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 109	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:13:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Wolfman is a legend. I Highly anticipate my return to the laser rifle if all goes well with the mouse aiming tweaks you mentioned.
Vethosis NEW AGE EMPIRE 697	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:14:00 - [18] - Quote I actually didn't skill into AR's because of this exact reason I tried on an alt. I hope respecs are allowed because I had to pick something else because it worked better than AR's.
Son Down SamsClub 73	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE. Ever considered that their might be a reason for that? Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 292	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:21:00 - [20] - Quote Nice! better aiming. This is coming in 1.4 right? for now, turn on the aim-assist? It's good to hear that you guys are improving the aim system. P.S. would the knives be affected by this too? Or is that a different topic?

Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:25:00 - [21] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Would like to know how aiming went from being alright in Chromosome, with nobody really complaining about it, to being absolutely atrocious in Uprising. Just curious as to what caused it. RTFB From the blog: The biggest update, however, is that we plan to reintroduce aim assists that we previously disabled. Don't sneer! Aim assists are part and parcel of aiming control on console! The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system. i've tested this in Uprising recently. There is SOME aim assist atm. The problem is not aim assist. It feels like my player is drunk. I've played BF3 extensively and that has a huge amount of input lag (drunk player feeling). While I can still play pretty well on BF3, on DUST this drunken feeling has nothing to do with aim assist. Mind you, how DICE "fixed" input lag on BF3 was to crank up the aim assist to ridiculous proportions. Right. There's still some assist, but the aim-assist system as a whole is not working properly because they disabled the magnetism and adhesion aspects. The assist is therefore unintuitive/inconsistent, leading to the drunk feeling. Hopefully my conjecture as to the cause is correct and 1.4 fixes this. Also am I really the only one who wishes we had separate ADS and non-ADS sensitivities?
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:25:00 - [22] - Quote Son Down wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE. Ever considered that their might be a reason for that? Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator. I highly doubt that CCP every thought that console users are considered "peasants of video games". Your proposed reason is very unlikely.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:27:00 - [23] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE. No, this is a console game. Mouse should be balanced with DS3 settings, because of the obvious advantage it has over the controller. In any case KB/M compatibility should be removed. It's the reason why Planetside 2 won't be merging servers with the PS4 version, because of the advantage PC players will have. -XOXO
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 843	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:27:00 - [24] - Quote Is controller tracking speeds and sensitivity being increased? I know it is for the mouse but what about the DS3? Is the speed going to be the same as it is now?
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 214	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:31:00 - [25] - Quote When you say mouse turn speed cap was removed completely, do you mean that now mouse users have a raw input in terms of turn speed? I.e. Someone with a mouse can whip around at ultra high speeds of they have very high dpi and max sensitivity set on both the mouse and ps3? Because if so, that sounds very very bad for DS3 users, who already have to suffer with acceleration in all cases.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 317	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:31:00 - [26] - Quote please, PLEASE have some Corps test this before rolling this out, I don't want it to be TOO easy to aim at someone
Cosgar ParagonX 3186	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:37:00 - [27] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: Son Down wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: And yet again us KB/M users are shafted because CCP refuses to allow us raw input. Instead, we get 'aim assist'. We don't need your bullshit systems, we NEED OUR MOUSE AS IT IS MEANT TO BE. Ever considered that their might be a reason for that? Reason : Console players are the peasants of the video game world. Lowest common denominator. I highly doubt that CCP ever considered console users to be "peasants of video games". Your proposed reason seems very unlikely. Don't mind Son Down, he just wants to be able to make a jumping 180 no-scope headshot kill
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 214	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:38:00 - [28] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Let the controller users cripple themselves if they really want to be that lazy and not get a cheap combo deal. I have a home theatre setup, with the ps3 on the receiver. My wife users it alot as well, so I can't just take it and put it on a small TV or monitor just to play dust with a mouse(not that I would even if I could, I like surround). Playing with a keyboard a be mouse from my couch is pretty crap - i've tried. It's not a matter of buying a 'cheap combo' (because Yea, like real gamers would use cheap mice? Hah..). It's more about ergonomics and enjoyment. I'm not going to go out of my way to get a kb/m just to compete. It's a ps3, not a PC - and it's controller is a DS3, not kb/m. If I wanted kb/m, I'd go play my PC.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1251	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:43:00 - [29] - Quote Sounds like some cool stuff in the works Wolfman. Thank you very much for taking the time to put this out so early... and not 2 days before patch day I also agree, a way to tune the ads/non ads sensitivity would be nice... but I can understand if its not allowed for balance reasons.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 224	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:45:00 - [30] - Quote wrote: So, the answer is we could disable it, but you probably wouldn't like it. How bout you find out instead of assuming? All I want is for this stupid acceleration crap to be gone. I have to play with my sensitivity higher than I want just to reduce the effect of it. Is it really that hard to give us the option to turn it off? Then if I don't like the result I can turn it back on. What a freakin concept that would be! It would also give you a way to measure the data to see who likes it or not by knowing what percent of active users choose to play with it on or off. I swear for every awesome decision yall make you make 100 terrible ones.



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