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Flix Keptick wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Flix Keptick wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

@ Flix

What you are seeing is a big reason I haven't played in months. First, HP creep has resulted in a negation of stealth tactics, for all but the highest alpha weaponry.

Second, Assaults and Logis have encroached on Scout roles (not unlike how Scouts encroached on thiers in 1.8), and often times it is just better to run an Assault like a Scout.

Not to mention having to deal with Myo jumpers with MDs and poor aim still being able to kill us easily.

I don't know what to tell people anymore to be honest. I just wait in hope of changes that fix the real problems instead of addressing mere symptoms or hurting non abusive play styles in order to fix the abusive ones.

Yea, that's the unfortunate reality I came to understand. It doesn't help that uncloaking bugs out half of the time and I have to reswitch to my knives.

Unfortunately I don't have proto knives yet (only advanced) so it takes me a charged swing all the time, and potentially a follow-up with tankier targets. Also being unable to charge while running is f******* killing me, I can't believe that hasn't been fixed in three years. Beeing able to kill people with an uncharged swipe would be neat, but I don't see that happening any time soon (even with proto knives)... Maybe if I keep sucking enough my stats will have dropped to a point where I'm not against teams of stacked proto tryhards 100% of the time (I wouldn't mind if my gunnie could still kill **** but I hardly see the point in taking it out of the hangar anymore).

They don't want us to charge while sprinting. There was a glitch where that was possible at one point, and they squashed that real quick.

Cloak switching is a big reason I don't want to play. Can't tell you how many times I did the same thing, and had to switch 2, or even 3 different times. Its worse when you are spotted while cloaked, and now have 3 to 9 seconds where you can't even fight back. The trick is to sprint then switch if I remember correctly, because it is the sprint mid switch that causes the problem.

I almost always charge personally, but again with HP creep, it has become nearly a necessity. And now that you have the inner rings, and you walk so slowly while you charge, you just make yourself a big target. This makes learning the Raptor Jump all the more important. Jump, charge mid air, and release just prior to landing. It is almost a necessity, particularly with targets you are chasing from behind. Sometimes, I found it best to even jump OVER the merc, do a 360, and knife them that way, as once you hit the inner ring, they become aware, and aren't always expecting you to jump over them.

If you are knifing, pro knives are a must now. Used to be able to get by with most targets and Adv knives on a Minja. Not anymore.

Last point, aim for the head. There is no noise or headshot indicator, but you DO get a bonus with your knives, and if you are going to go in without charging, aiming for the head might be your best bet.

Hmmm, I'd do the raptor jump (not that I can't), it's just that I'm using kincats. So I jump too high to be able to do the raptor jump, and I'm hesitant on removing them due to the massive GTFO advantage it gives me (like jumping over walls and such, especially when an angry assault spotted me).

Quick question; what game mode is best for scouts? Because I was playing dom and I found it night impossible to find lone targets, it's usually just both sides playing a furious sumo match for the objective, I assume that ambush would be the same.

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sir RAVEN WING Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.12.24 02:34:00 - [50881] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Skirmish = Scout's Wet Dream Surprised you just now getting this. It's so good because there are always someone stumbling around alone in any letter. I like sweeping in, killing them off, get out and hit another letter before returning and repeating until I die. (Usually 4 runs of that.) I been knew it, raven lol, i was telling flix that. I just hardly ever get into a skirm. Yeah. Getting back in is proving tricky for me. I have lost 4 protos. 3 MK.0 Scouts and 1 Ck.0 Assault. Ck.0 due to me adjusting my settings and a shotty scout got me. (Had to do it then.) 2 MK.0s due to redline sniper. 1 MK.0 from shotty MK.0 Assault. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ "Time waits for no man." Death may be rendered obsolete to us, but time shall still have it's investment back.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER L0RDS 0F LEGI0N Damage LLC 4	Posted - 2015.12.24 02:34:00 - [50882] - Quote I'm still asked to run my scouts in PCs, but its rage inducing when you don't have scotsmans bricked out with bons or even better a proto min assault! I like that my role is still recognized but i don't know why they still field me. And if we complain we want to be OP cause scouts are fine. Not everyone celebrates holidays In pain X(
Llast 326 An Arkhos 9	Posted - 2015.12.24 02:35:00 - [50883] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: One Eyed King wrote: @ Flix What you are seeing is a big reason I haven't played in months. First, HP creep has resulted in a negation of stealth tactics, for all but the highest alpha weaponry. Second, Assaults and Logis have encroached on Scout roles (not unlike how Scouts encroached on thiers in 1.8), and often times it is just better to run an Assault like a Scout. Not to mention having to deal with Myo jumpers with MDs and poor aim still being able to kill us easily. I don't know what to tell people anymore to be honest. I just wait in hope of changes that fix the real problems instead of addressing mere symptoms or hurting non abusive play styles in order to fix the abusive ones. Yea, that's the unfortunate reality I came to understand. It doesn't help that uncloaking bugs out half of the time and I have to reswitch to my knives. Unfortunately I don't have proto knives yet (only advanced) so it takes me a charged swing all the time, and potentially a follow-up with tankier targets. Also being unable to charge while running is f***** killing me, I can't believe that hasn't been fixed in three years. Beeing able to kill people with an uncharged swipe would be neat, but I don't see that happening any time soon (even with proto knives)... Maybe if I keep sucking enough my stats will have dropped to a point where I'm not against teams of stacked proto tryhards 100% of the time (I wouldn't mind if my gunnie could still kill ** but I hardly see the point in taking it out of the hangar anymore). They don't want us to charge while sprinting. There was a glitch where that was possible at one point, and they squashed that real quick. Cloak switching is a big reason I don't want to play. Can't tell you how many times I did the same thing, and had to switch 2, or even 3 different times. Its worse when you are spotted while cloaked, and now have 3 to 9 seconds where you can't even fight back. The trick is to sprint then switch if I remember correctly, because it is the sprint mid switch that causes the problem. I almost always charge personally, but again with HP creep, it has become nearly a necessity. And now that you have the inner rings, and you walk so slowly while you charge, you just make yourself a big target. This makes learning the Raptor Jump all the more important. Jump, charge mid air, and release just prior to landing. It is almost a necessity, particularly with targets you are chasing from behind. Sometimes, I found it best to even jump OVER the merc, do a 360, and knife them that way, as once you hit the inner ring, they become aware, and aren't always expecting you to jump over them. If you are knifing, pro knives are a must now. Used to be able to get by with most targets and Adv knives on a Minja. Not anymore. Last point, aim for the head. There is no noise or headshot indicator, but you DO get a bonus with your knives, and if you are going to go in without charging, aiming for the head might be your best bet. Hmmm, I'd do the raptor jump (not that I can't), it's just that I'm using kincats. So I jump too high to be able to do the raptor jump, and I'm hesitant on removing them due to the massive GTFO advantage it gives me (like jumping over walls and such, especially when an angry assault spotted me). Quick question; what game mode is best for scouts? Because I was playing dom and I found it night impossible to find lone targets, it's usually just both sides playing a furious sumo match for the objective, I assume that ambush would be the same. Learn your jump distance and you will be good. It does take practice. I love Skirmish, so much to do so much more dynamic than other modes. Because Dom seems to the mode that Qs the quickest I've learned to find ways to enjoy it. Finding lone people in Dom is not as hard as it seems, especially if you are fast I usually circle around the map tightening my loop as I go. You get to hack a lot of things... kill stragglers, snipers and destroy the uplink line. Also this often puts you in a position of coming up behind the enemy blob... get three or four stabs in and GTFO... go back to circling then do it again. Some maps this does not work well on though MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Llast 326 An Arkhos 9	Posted - 2015.12.24 02:38:00 - [50884] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Was the Myofibs' bonus jump height switched to Kincats? Don't think so... Jar confusion hits after you've had a few Then again I'm on the tail end of a 96 hour shift... maybe they did change it. MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 13	Posted - 2015.12.24 02:45:00 - [50885] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Was the Myofibs' bonus jump height switched to Kincats? Don't think so... Jar confusion hits after you've had a few Then again I'm on the tail end of a 96 hour shift... maybe they did change it. Jump height is a function of speed, and since Kincats increase speed, they have somewhat of an influence on jump height. Myos directly increase jump height regardless of speed. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.24 03:25:00 - [50886] - Quote @ Flix - Definitely not Dom. Skirm or Bush. Dropsuit Usage Rates
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.12.24 03:34:00 - [50887] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Llast 326 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Was the Myofibs' bonus jump height switched to Kincats? Don't think so... Jar confusion hits after you've had a few Then again I'm on the tail end of a 96 hour shift... maybe they did change it. Jump height is a function of speed, and since Kincats increase speed, they have somewhat of an influence on jump height. Myos directly increase jump height regardless of speed. For example, when you try jumping over a rail while walking vs sprinting and then jumping. Its quite a pain. I don't think it increases jump height. I think it only affects jump length, and the amount of time you stay up during the climax of your jump. I know what you're trying to get at, though. Maybe I'm wrong. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.24 03:52:00 - [50888] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: If a lesson can be learned here, it's that CCP doesn't give a **** about the scouts.( Just to keep the record straight ... Rattati cared. He came to us a dozen or so times since HF Alpha and left with solid feedback each and every time. We were making good progress on Scout balance, right up until things went sideways. I don't fault Rattati for what followed. He was relying on community input. I fault those who knowingly misled him. Dropsuit Usage Rates
VAHZZ Community Cream Pie 10	Posted - 2015.12.24 04:05:00 - [50889] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: If a lesson can be learned here, it's that CCP doesn't give a ** about the scouts.( Just to keep the record straight ... Rattati cared. He came to us a dozen or so times since HF Alpha and left with solid feedback each and every time. We were making good progress on Scout balance, right up until things went sideways. I don't fault Rattati for what followed. He was relying on community input. I fault those who misled him. I remember a time when they wouldn't even grace us with p1ss and call it rain. Long Live The King** @Aldturtl
sir RAVEN WING Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.12.24 04:26:00 - [50890] - Quote Joel II X wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Llast 326 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Was the Myofibs' bonus jump height switched to Kincats? Don't think so... Jar confusion hits after you've had a few Then again I'm on the tail end of a 96 hour shift... maybe they did change it. Jump height is a function of speed, and since Kincats increase speed, they have somewhat of an influence on jump height. Myos directly increase jump height regardless of speed. For example, when you try jumping over a rail while walking vs sprinting and then jumping. Its quite a pain. I don't think it increases jump height. I think it only affects jump length, and the amount of time you stay up during the climax of your jump. I know what you're trying to get at, though. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, it was confused several times it seems. I was just wondering. Agimus' Mass Driver is irritating to fight when the user is hiding on a building by the way. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ "Time waits for no man." Death may be rendered obsolete to us, but time shall still have it's investment back.

Yung Roner Expert Intervention Caldari State 100	Posted - 2015.12.24 08:07:00 - [50891] - Quote happy holidays
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:30:00 - [50892] - Quote Happy holidays, guys... meanwhile... Jumpy MinAss mk.0 with dual breach flaylock pistols.... Is so much fun.... Kaltos Darksbane's Bae.
Flix Keptick Red Star. 4	Posted - 2015.12.24 18:07:00 - [50893] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I'm still asked to run my scouts in PCs, but its rage inducing when you don't have scotsmans bricked out with bons or even better a proto min assault! I like that my role is still recognized but i don't know why they still field me. And if we complain we want to be OP cause scouts are fine. We just want to be viable, not OP, big difference. Doesn't even need to be a buff, a WP and ISK reward increase to things like hacking would help big time. And the fact that the isk reward is determined solely by the quantity of things destroyed, and not things thst actually directly contribute for the win (like hacking) hurts the wallet of non-offensive oriented players. Vehicle addict // caldari scout
PARKOUR PRACTIONER L0RDS 0F LEGI0N Damage LLC 4	Posted - 2015.12.24 18:50:00 - [50894] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I'm still asked to run my scouts in PCs, but its rage inducing when you don't have scotsmans bricked out with bons or even better a proto min assault! I like that my role is still recognized but i don't know why they still field me. And if we complain we want to be OP cause scouts are fine. We just want to be viable, not OP, big difference. Doesn't even need to be a buff, a WP and ISK reward increase to things like hacking would help big time. And the fact that the isk reward is determined solely by the quantity of things destroyed, and not things thst actually directly contribute for the win (like hacking) hurts the wallet of non-offensive oriented players. I get what your sayin, I'm just quoting the classic "Scouts are Fiiiiine your just bad" that usually comes with suggesting things to make the scouts viable. Or the "You just want to be OP" or "You scouts ask for too much" and they wonder why things are usually discussed among ourselves and sometimes only ourselves. At this point though, all i can ask for is little tips & tricks from Scout 101 to make my time playing a little easier and more fun. Trying FLP & Nk, dude the fun is real! And frustration. shrugs Not everyone celebrates holidays In pain X(
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.12.24 20:42:00 - [50895] - Quote Scouts are fine against everything, but other scouts. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RUST415 5	Posted - 2015.12.24 21:21:00 - [50896] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3062964#post3062964 For those who do not dare venture into GD. I'm actually looking for somewhat constructive responses in GD... Oh have I become desperate. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ "Time waits for no man." Death may be rendered obsolete to us, but time shall still have it's investment back.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.12.24 23:05:00 - [50897] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3062964#post3062964 For those who do not dare venture into GD. I'm actually looking for somewhat constructive responses in GD... Oh have I become desperate. There's no point to that thread at this point in time. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 805	Posted - 2015.12.25 01:02:00 - [50898] - Quote MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FELLOW NEETS, SHUT INS AND NERDY FELLOWS!!!!! Also for those normal people who just happen to be passing by ;) currently 11am just built myself a desk _-_ got relatives coming over soon. but yeah catch up in time nerds :P also got myself an angel beats poster behind the desk in a little window sorta thing :D already took paint off a shelf cause it had water on it and i thought it was glue scratched it and the cheap crap came off _-_ felt like crying then put a Princess Daisy figure over the spot and no one has noticed yet \./ ill forget eventually lol EDIT: hmmmm this doesn't seem to be the anime store.... guess ill get a hair cut any way BAKA! Why would I love you!! >blushes and looks down as you start to walk away i tug on your shirt and look in your eyes
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana 805	Posted - 2015.12.25 01:06:00 - [50899] - Quote oh oh oh and i forgot, i got bluetooth head phones which happen to have a mic (i never even knew till was reading how to set them up in all honesty) so looks like i might be using talky walky on dust again (thank god no more guitar hero mic lol that was cancer and still had to pretty much shout in it probs cause it was a ps2 one lol) BAKA! Why would I love you!! >blushes and looks down as you start to walk away i tug on your shirt and look in your eyes
xavier zor II 271	Posted - 2015.12.25 10:33:00 - [50900] - Quote two fishes are in a tank one looks at the other and says: "How do we drive this thing?" merry-fu**ing-Xmas mercs xavier zor's alt (biomassed) The real xavier zor

sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RUST415 5	Posted - 2015.12.25 14:35:00 - [50901] - Quote xavier zor II wrote: two fishes are in a tank one looks at the other and says: "How do we drive this thing?" merry-fu*ing-Xmas mercs Fish is plural for fish. Not fishes. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ "Time waits for no man." Death may be rendered obsolete to us, but time shall still have it's investment back.*
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.25 14:35:00 - [50902] - Quote happy holidays, gents! Dropsuit Usage Rates
sir RAVEN WING Corrosive Synergy RUST415 5	Posted - 2015.12.25 14:37:00 - [50903] - Quote Joel II X wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3062964#post3062964 For those who do not dare venture into GD. I'm actually looking for somewhat constructive responses in GD... Oh have I become desperate. There's no point to that thread at this point in time. Exactly. Although, I was looking to see something. Thus far, Racial Parity seems to really be wanted. =ƒç+=ƒç¬ "Time waits for no man." Death may be rendered obsolete to us, but time shall still have it's investment back.
Jamie Survivors 1	Posted - 2015.12.25 15:40:00 - [50904] - Quote Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas to all in the barbershop! May the scout be the best of us! The larger player base is waiting! Port Dust 514 to PS4!
Radiant Pancake3 Celestial Phoenixes 3	Posted - 2015.12.25 17:13:00 - [50905] - Quote So for christmas I got a tablet with a detachable keyboard... Maybe I'll be more willing to respond via mobile now... Kaltos Darksbane's Bae. Join-in-my-corp? Search CP4U Wanna Squad? Pub Chat: CP4U Pub
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 5	Posted - 2015.12.25 23:42:00 - [50906] - Quote Hope everyone is having a good Holiday Break. XD PS4
Jamie Survivors 1	Posted - 2015.12.26 00:40:00 - [50907] - Quote What I cooked today! Menu: stuffed and marinated pork roast, Rice dressing Navy beans with smoked sausage Macaroni and cheese Deviled eggs And talk about still stuffed 5 hours later! The larger player base is waiting! Port Dust 514 to PS4!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.12.26 01:42:00 - [50908] - Quote Merry Christmas! May the red jar be ever flowing! *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
xavier zor II 280	Posted - 2015.12.26 07:53:00 - [50909] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Merry Christmas! May the red jar be ever flowing! but its boxing day you idiot! xavier zor's alt (biomassed) The real xavier zor
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 18	Posted - 2015.12.26 23:12:00 - [50910] - Quote https://www.themittani.com/features/ccps-roadmap-2016 Dropsuit Usage Rates



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