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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 17:50:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Why JUST the PC?
Plenty of games, in fact I would wager most non casual games are multi platform. From Final Fantasies, to PS2 and Don't Starve. Why would you limit yourself to PC only after investing so much in a game when it is just a fraction of the cost to port it to an additional system? At that point you are just leaving money on the table.
But isn't the problem that ports are crap? And don't you have to port from a console to a PC? Either way, a port that is cheap to do means it's just wrapped in **** to make it work, and won't make use of the hardware properly. Sub-optimal experience.
Not all ports are crap. I am not a fan of PS2, but I don't think its because it is a crap port. Likewise, I don't think that there is a significant difference in many games that are cross platform. Many of the newer games that have been ported from either the PS3 to PS4 (like Journey most recently), or from the PC to console (Minecraft and PS2), have not received poor marks for the port. I think that the notion ports are automatically crap is probably a generalization that is less true today than it has been in the past.
When I meant relatively cheap, I am talking the difference between developing a whole game vs porting a game. The biggest parts of the job are done once the game is finished for one platform are they not? And given that the PS4 architecture is now the same as the PC, surely that reduces the costs and headache for porting.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 17:54:00 -
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So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ...
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Ghost Kaisar
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:05:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Hi, I'm Bullet Tooth Tony
Basically yeah
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:09:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Yup, 'tis now 18:50 here. 
I dislike the use of 24 hour time instead of 12 hour time. Bad Wolf, Bad Wolf.
Director of Vader's Fist
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:19:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Sounds like ~17:00 would be a good weekend timer for us.
Noonish here. 6ish there. No one staying up 'til 4AM :-)
If you have extra CP, you can always send the attack and send a mail to corp asking if anyone makes it to make a 16 man squad in squad finder and get randoms for PC. Rinse and repeat. We now have a weapon against crazy timers. They have to show up or one day you might just have a bad team that can beat their few guys. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:21:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ...
I'm never going to get to help out with any of those times! Actually, maybe this Saturday if you got one going. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:29:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ... I'm never going to get to help out with any of those times! Actually, maybe this Saturday if you got one going.
Have a few going on this Saturday :-)
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:32:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Yup, 'tis now 18:50 here. I dislike the use of 24 hour time instead of 12 hour time. Bad Wolf, Bad Wolf.
I dislike your dislike of the use of 24 hour time.
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:33:00 -
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Dreis SadowWeaver wrote:Indeed, I went outside today. \o/
If anyone still needs confirmation that Dreis is a CREATURE OF LIES, this is it.
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:36:00 -
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LogiBro still walks among us. Ark is my witness.
Director of Vader's Fist
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:37:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:LogiBro still walks among us. Ark is my witness.
Can confirm. Vahzz lured a LogiBro.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:37:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ... I'm never going to get to help out with any of those times! Actually, maybe this Saturday if you got one going. Have a few going on this Saturday :-)
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:39:00 -
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https://twitter.com/ccp_leeloo/status/627173061620563968
Over 1000 votes cast on first day of voting.
Yeah, I'm probably not getting in. 
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:40:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ... I'm never going to get to help out with any of those times! Actually, maybe this Saturday if you got one going. Have a few going on this Saturday :-) What were the times again?
IIRC, 3 attacks Saturday between 02:00 and 03:00.
Think your corp is already booked for PC Attack.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:VAHZZ wrote:LogiBro still walks among us. Ark is my witness. Can confirm. Vahzz lured a LogiBro.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2893131#post2893131
I should've used a Master Ball....
Director of Vader's Fist
Never not lurk - CCP Logibro
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:53:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:https://twitter.com/ccp_leeloo/status/627173061620563968 Over 1000 votes cast on first day of voting. Yeah, I'm probably not getting in.
You did get in the race rather late though. Plus its your first go through. I bet if you don't get in, you will still finish fairly high.
How many were cast last year? I seem to remember a rather small turn out.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.07.31 19:00:00 -
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It wouldn't have worked anyway.
Only a Master Logi Ball can have the slightest chance of catching him.
0.1% Chance of Catching Famed Logibro
VF Diplomat.
Basically, I clean up the political shit the other's make.
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
5
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Posted - 2015.07.31 19:07:00 -
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My blue tags so far:
A lot from RatMan...but he gives everyone tags.
A couple from Frame.
And 1 from Logibro.
My mission is almost complete....
Director of Vader's Fist
"Never not lurk" - CCP Logibro
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.07.31 19:23:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:So for our next round of weekend attacks, are you guys thinking that 17:00 - 20:00 is our best bet at high turnout?
Will put something downstairs to serve as reminder ... I'm never going to get to help out with any of those times! Actually, maybe this Saturday if you got one going. Have a few going on this Saturday :-) What were the times again? IIRC, 3 attacks Saturday between 02:00 and 03:00. Think your corp is already booked for PC Attack.
Ahh, i thought you meant from 17:00-20:00. Yeah some fool sent an attack on a night I can't do it ... sad days.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 19:27:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:https://twitter.com/ccp_leeloo/status/627173061620563968 Over 1000 votes cast on first day of voting. Yeah, I'm probably not getting in. You did get in the race rather late though. Plus its your first go through. I bet if you don't get in, you will still finish fairly high. How many were cast last year? I seem to remember a rather small turn out.
936. It's listed as 937 some places (for unknown reasons), but the raw was 936.
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:11:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:I think Dust should just be on the PC. I know this is a really unpopular opinion and that it would upset most of the playerbase, but for the long term it's for the best. PC is obviously the platform they're the most comfortable with, it's hard to develop and manage multiple versions across different platforms, and the game'll inevitably end up getting constrained by the PS4 again. As much as I hate playing FPS games with mouse and keyboard, PC is the way to go. They ****** up on a aingle piece of hardware. And you think they won't on pc with its 1000s of various hardware?
Yes. See: Eve online. They've got two fully functional games on that platform, it's their home base. So instead of comparing 1 piece of hardware to many pieces think about it like this: Why should Dust remain on the one platform which CCP has consistently shown they CAN'T work with?
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:31:00 -
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Had a nice match.
Was fighting some Ultimate Spawn guys.
I did a single run into the enemy blob, killed a single Amarr Scout, dashed out and cloaked.
They started searching for me, I used this to lure them one at a time and take them out.
You could see the panic in their movements.
Beautiful in the eyes of this scout.
Even got a hatemail, but not from Ultimate Spawn.
The guy was a newb whom got caught in the action.
3rd one I killed if I remember correctly.
VF Diplomat.
Basically, I clean up the political shit the other's make.
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:36:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:I think Dust should just be on the PC. I know this is a really unpopular opinion and that it would upset most of the playerbase, but for the long term it's for the best. PC is obviously the platform they're the most comfortable with, it's hard to develop and manage multiple versions across different platforms, and the game'll inevitably end up getting constrained by the PS4 again. As much as I hate playing FPS games with mouse and keyboard, PC is the way to go. Why JUST the PC? Plenty of games, in fact I would wager most non casual games, are multi platform. From Final Fantasies, to PS2 and Don't Starve. Why would you limit yourself to PC only after investing so much in a game when it is just a fraction of the cost to port it to an additional system? At that point you are just leaving money on the table.
A few things to address here.
- I'm referring to the next generation version of Dust, ie "Legion". Dust as it currently is is a dying platform and everybody knows it. A port to PS4 would do nothing to help that.
- It would be MUCH easier to develop Dust if it were just on the PC because they don't have to go through Sony Q&A for every update.
- Of course many games are multiplatform, but the problems you run into when developing multiplatform games increase exponentially when a) the game you're developing is being continually iterated on, b) the games are multiplayer-based, and c) the games are connected to one or more other games. Bonus complexity if it's all three.
To expand on that last point: Let's say there are now two Dusts, one on PS4 and one on PC. Imagine a scenario where the client versions are synced and PC and PS4 players can play with each other. What happens when there's a bug on one client that isn't present on the other? What about PSN or Tranquility network issues affecting the matches? Now if an issue delays one client's patch, the other's is delayed as well, because they have to be in sync, so every patch will come out slower. Not to mention all the details of balancing M&K vs controller.
So having the two synced up is probably too hard. Now imagine the scenario where DustPS4 and DustPC aren't sharing the same client version and can't play with each other. How might the two versions differ, especially as time moves on and PCs grow ever more powerful than consoles? How do the two separate clients work with the interaction with Eve? Will every interaction with Eve have to be labeled as coming from PS4 or PC? What if an update has landed with mechanical changes for one version and not the other, what happens to dealing with Eve then? It's complicated for players and developers alike.
I would be willing to bet money that the disappointingly minimal Dust-Eve link isn't a result of weak hardware or not wanting to impact Eve too much, but a result of the logistics of coordinating between two entirely separate platforms. You're guaranteed to be limited in what you're capable of doing by having to work around such a restriction.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:54:00 -
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I don't think the EVE FPS games need to be connected to one another at all. I am fairly certain PS2 isn't connected between PC and PS4.
Certainly there is room for the games to have EVE connectivity without having to influence each other directly. Think a big Venn Diagram that looks like Micky Mouse, with the two ears being the separate EVE FPS games, and the head being EVE.
Consoles are too big a market without enough PC overlap to ignore.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:16:00 -
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Let's be real here. It doesn't matter if Dust goes to PC or PS4, CCP will find a way to f**k it up.
#Realtalk #keepit100
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XxBlazikenxX
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:18:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Let's be real here. It doesn't matter if Dust goes to PC or PS4, CCP will find a way to f**k it up.
#Realtalk #keepit100
^
CCP Archduke is the best GM
Founder of the Armory
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xavier zor
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:18:00 -
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continuing on from an old convo
i was up for 20 hours, just under.
had the best sleep of my life!
dedicated slayer
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:18:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
Consoles are too big a market without enough PC overlap to ignore.
Agree with this.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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sir RAVEN WING
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:40:00 -
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Mk.0 just ran about 45m into our redline, killed four guys with a shotty, and didn't die.
Mk.0 Scout with K5 Shotty runs into redline, kills four guys, and gets out.
He went 49/1 that game.
The 1 was when I sniped him midair.
EDIT: Reason I was posting this; I am wondering how he got so far in and didn't die.
It took him about 20 - 25s to get in and kill everyone.
I just wonder.
VF Diplomat.
Basically, I clean up the political shit the other's make.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.31 23:04:00 -
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I'm presently rediscovering the joys of the shotgun.
Any Min or Gal fits you folks use? ATM I'm using double kincat + cardiac and myos on a Galscout and it's hilariously glass cannony.
Arkena Wyrnspire - CPM2 candidate
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