I saw that. What the hell is wrong with people?

Most people equate "balance" with "comfort" if ti's not comfortable for them then they get upset when it's effective against them (or sometimes even effective on their same side, if that makes them feel overshadowed) and cry nerf.

Consider the number of threads that justify a nerf/buff primarily on the shoulders of comparing it to something else and saying "look it should be better/worse than X, and it isn't". How often do you hear "it should be equal to, but different than X, and it isn't" whether in rhetoric or in suggestions.

This is a larger portion of the reason why many threads degenerate into AR vs other weapons or Assault Suit vs other suits.
Because many people are comfortable playing an AR using Assault so it's a common advocacy, and a common target.
Same with AV vs Vehicles, the players of each advocate that their end is fine or UP and needs help while the other is over the top, again because it is what's comfortable for their game play.

Back during closed beta I was convinced that the MD was OP, then someone challenged me in thread to go and use the MD for awhile and report the results. I accepted that challenge and discovered that the MD was not in fact OP at all, just radically different which caused my misconceptions about it. The LR (viziam bug aside) was similar last build, I know of many who were sure the whole line was broken can couldn't be beaten, but my free dragonfly fit could take out even viziam users 8/10 times (much like my free logi fit can do to MD users right now), however those players, mostly Heavies and Cal Assaults (shield tanked) struggled and so declared the weapon OP, now look at the state of it.

Player opinions are still worth hearing and I'm glad CCP does it but for the most part valuable feedback requires a whole lot more than reporting what happens to you/your preferred play style when it encounters something that forces you outside your comfort zone. A fact which many players are rather emotionally opposed to accepting or acknowledging.

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That was a rhetorical question lol. But as always you hit the nail on the head.

So plates and ferro are soon to be in a reasonable place. Now we can continue to push for reactives to not suck and get us some racial bonuses to help with regen.

They are going to be okay but not as a module to depend on, CCP Wolfman confirmed the fitting restrictions were not changed.

So plates and ferro are soon to be in a reasonable place. Now we can continue to push for reactives to not suck and get us some racial bonuses to help with regen.

So it looks like we've taken a wait and see attitude here but I'm unsure we should rest. One, the problem isn't resolved. Two, we don't have a road map to its resolution.

Maybe I'm a sore winner but I'm happy, not satisfied.

I think most people are going to swarm to plates now, so there is a high chance shields won't even need a penalty I think deoending on how 1.4 goes the next thread I make is to add a low slot shield HP module, or some fitting restrictions for HP modules by suit tank type. We are going to see some very crazy dual tank set ups, like 594 shield/595 armor Caldari assaults.

I think most people are going to swarm to plates now, so there is a high chance shields won't even need a penalty I think deoending on how 1.4 goes the next thread I make is to add a low slot shield HP module, or some fitting restrictions for HP modules by suit tank type. We are going to see some very crazy dual tank set ups, like 594 shield/595 armor Caldari assaults.

I'm glad that armor is getting a buff. I still think that every suit should have an innate armor rep, lowest for Caldari at 1, highest for Gallente at 4.

And destroy the economy that is held up by repair modules, units, and equipment?
For shame

If they want to encourage pure shield or pure armour tanking, they need more percentage bonuses (like shield rechargers).

e.g. if shield extenders and plates provided percentage bonuses you could still provide equivalent protection on suits designed for it, e.g.:

http://i.imgur.com/0y6sXIK.png

However, it means that you can't dual tank effectively because your base armor is too low to be worth it (you could use non-percentage stuff like reactive or ferroscale plates)

with reference to your last sentence minmintar suits need an extra low slot per level starting from milita (which has zero) on upward. because their base ehp is really low, and they are supposed to be the most versitile suits, and fastest. yet, their speed is only marginally better than other suits.

its a delicate balance because too much speed and you essentially have a medium suit with scout speed, too much versitility and they become your all-in-all go to suit for everything, too much ehp..well you get the point.

adding this one extra slot per level will enable your minmintar suit to do more and be more versitile while simulataneously, still being the weakest in terms of tanking.

i mean seriously, i can get 550+ ehp on my milita galente suit, but now where near that amount on my milita minmintar, and the trade off, is only .30m in speed.... that is laughable.

onw im using milita as an example but of course going up hgher its easy to see that the minmintar can't tank as they should. (they should not tank better than anyother suit, but they shouldn't be so far behind that they are 200+ ehp behind.)

It'll be better than it was in 1.4. You saw the suggested changes, yes?
Once 1.4 is out I suspect I'll post one last one of these though.

Their speed is only part of their benefit. GIving them more eHP would be overpowered. They also have more stamina, which means they end up sprinting about 25% further than other suits of the same class. Basically they can make the most use of cardiac regulators and kincats.

More like 567/461 at most.

you knwo they have a program that calculates fittings for you now. DEVs put the link up on tuesday.

You're right, that would be a great tool for someone to use if they have a fitting they'd like to post as an example of something that is purported to be broken.