And about the flaylock pistol



https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87797

Flaylock stats:
Basic
Direct: 218 <--- Enough damage to 4 shot me at full HP
Splash: 195
Clip size: 3 <-- 4 as a Minmatar assault
Max ammo: 21
Reload 2.5

Basic (LVL 5 side arm skills)
Direct: 250
Splash: 224
Clip size: 3
Max ammo: 26
Reload: 2.125

Core flaylock pistol (LVL 5 side arm skills)
Direct: 276 <--- Enough to kill a heavy with no shields in 2-3 shots
Splash: 246
Clip size: 3
Max ammo: 26
Reload: 2.125

Flaylock pistols also have a range of 60M, although very difficult to use at 60M if you aim high enough you can shoot anybody at any distance with it.

Also bear in mind flaylocks do 135% more damage against armour, compared to 70% with shields. In practice, this is about a 92% difference in damage.

I have to disagree with this. It sounds good on paper, however, in practice it would further limit fitting options for armor tankers. If you look at the slot layout for armor tank suits, they are extremely limited on the amount of High Slots, while shield tank suits generally have a decent number of lows. This is compounded by the fact that there are currently 10 out of 12 non armor non shield modules that are low slot modules.

This creates a disparity between fitting options of shields vs fitting options of armor. This would be further exacerbated if one began moving armor modules to high slots by limiting armor's ability to tank and gank.

While moving Reactive Plates to High Slots could free up a low slot, I don't feel like this would be the case. IMHO this would simply render the Reactive plates almost completely unused as armor tankers would tend to gravitate toward fitting damage modifiers instead if for no other reason than not being able to stack enough of the Reactive plates to make them viable.

While simply moving Reactive Plates to High Slots wouldn't solve all the problems, I think it would help more than you're giving them credit for. By freeing up a Low Slot, an Armor user could use a CPU/PG module without feeling like they're giving up a dedicated portion of their survival.

By taking say, 1-2 Reactive Plates and 1 Damage Mod as High Slot choices, with 2 Plates, a Repper and a CPU/PG mod as needed, the Armor user would be given a better option than simply stacking their Low Slots and hopeing for the best.

While simply moving Reactive Plates to High Slots wouldn't solve all the problems, I think it would help more than you're giving them credit for. By freeing up a Low Slot, an Armor user could use a CPU/PG module without feeling like they're giving up a dedicated portion of their survival.

By taking say, 1-2 Reactive Plates and 1 Damage Mod as High Slot choices, with 1-2 Plates, a Repper and a CPU/PG mod as needed, the Armor user would be given a better option than simply stacking their Low Slots and hopeing for the best.

Keep armor in the lows, but make armor not suck - just as the OP proposed.

I wouldn't mind having a useful utility mod or two in the highs, either. I chose armor specifically so I could fit damage mods, but that's basically ALL high slots offer the armor tanker. I'll be damned if I'm going to dual tank.

Keep armor in the lows, but make armor not suck - just as the OP proposed.

I wouldn't mind having a useful utility mod or two in the highs, either. I chose armor specifically so I could fit damage mods, but that's basically ALL high slots offer the armor tanker. I'll be damned if I'm going to dual tank.

meow of justice

No justice just Dust.

On reactive plates being a high slot:
It would be very hard to balance effectively. People would move to stacking a ton of reactive plates with an armour plate/rep combo, which would make an incredibly powerful tank, unless reactive plates weren't very good, in which case they simply wouldn't be used.
To move the reactive plate to the high slot would be to admit defeat with the low slots for armour tankers, as people would start filling their highs with their armour tank and leaving the lows for other things like speed mods. It would also make defences more reliant on having a load of different modules just for the tank than tweaking the overall state of things.

I think it would be better to tweak them so that they have situations where they perform differently than plate/rep comboes, like for instance higher HP lower repair rate. That way it doesn't completely step on the toes of plate/rep tanking and both have their purpose.
To be honest though reactive plates are always going to be competing with plate/rep comboes.

You guys sure armor is at a disadvantage?
I saw a DJINN running a Gal Logi, that just won't die, earlier today.

Took a ridiculously concerted effort to kill him... with a full-auto Duvolle AR.
Seems to me that guy had armor down to an art form. Maybe some people are just building armor fits poorly?

You guys sure armor is at a disadvantage?
I saw a DJINN running a Gal Logi, that just won't die, earlier today.

Took a ridiculously concerted effort to kill him... with a full-auto Duvolle AR.
Seems to me that guy had armor down to an art form. Maybe some people are just building armor fits poorly?

You guys sure armor is at a disadvantage?
I saw a DJINN running a Gal Logi, that just won't die, earlier today.

Took a ridiculously concerted effort to kill him... with a full-auto Duvolle AR.
Seems to me that guy had armor down to an art form. Maybe some people are just building armor fits poorly?

Tagged and Forwarding.

You guys sure armor is at a disadvantage?
I saw a DJINN running a Gal Logi, that just won't die, earlier today.

Took a ridiculously concerted effort to kill him... with a full-auto Duvolle AR.
Seems to me that guy had armor down to an art form. Maybe some people are just building armor fits poorly?

Snazzy.
I assume this is some sort of CPM/CCP process?

Basically its an attempt to cover bases that Dust 514's community "might" have missed.

Most of the time the reports catches about everything of notice but I am just making sure threads like these are at least brought forward before the report makes it out.

I have to disagree with this. It sounds good on paper, however, in practice it would further limit fitting options for armor tankers. If you look at the slot layout for armor tank suits, they are extremely limited on the amount of High Slots, while shield tank suits generally have a decent number of lows. This is compounded by the fact that there are currently 10 out of 12 non armor non shield modules that are low slot modules.

This creates a disparity between fitting options of shields vs fitting options of armor. This would be further exacerbated if one began moving armor modules to high slots by limiting armor's ability to tank and gank.

While moving Reactive Plates to High Slots could free up a low slot, I don't feel like this would be the case. IMHO this would simply render the Reactive plates almost completely unused as armor tankers would tend to gravitate toward fitting damage modifiers instead if for no other reason than not being able to stack enough of the Reactive plates to make them viable.

To be honest I don't think that's an actual possibility, no one is required to use the new plates, the old/current armor rep options still provide for these same options via low slots so all moving it to the high power slot does is create options for differing fittings.


I'm only suggesting one specific type of mod be placed there not a migration in general, further your statement assumes that everyone runs damage mods which is untrue. Not everyone runs damage mods nor is doing so required to preform well. I've run squads that placed top of the match with no mods between us and I know Assaulters who've been in the top 20 during closed beta that didn't run a single mod (and still don't on their primary fittings, AV notwithstanding).

All of that aside I have to reiterate that it is an option not a requirement so it doesn't cost anyone anything just allows for a more diverse pallet from which to draw possible fittings configurations.

I doubt that the Reactive Plates would be the sole source of tank when placed in a high slot. Depending on the suit they may not even be the primary source of tank but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be useful. Two of them would nearly equal a proto repper, plus provides more buffer (assuming current stats). Even fitting only a single reactive could give fits that would otherwise lack all native rep some mild form of self rep, I know some Heavies which would include this in their fits.

This also provides a bit more balance between shields and armor by putting a mod on the table which takes the same slot as primary shield tank mods. Would this fix armor vs shield tank balance? Absolutely not, but it could contribute to a fix. As long as Shield tanking takes high slots and armor is purely low slots then all buffs to armor direct mods are going to fall sort of providing balance because shield tankers can still 'cheery pick' whatever aspects they want without giving up any of their primary tank. Choices aren't meaningful when they cost nothing.

I'm sure reactive plates in the high slots wouldn't work for every fit but honestly that's partly the point and they most certainly would be used I know Mercs who would use them and I would use them on some fits.

Cheers,
Cross

I dont think that post was true, or there are some heavy details missing.

While these are good arguments, I still don't feel like moving any armor modules to high slots is the proper route. Look at the Sentinel Suit. It only has 1 High Slot. Having these Reactive plates in high slots would not be beneficial at all. I would much rather be able to run a shield recharger, extender, or damage mod here and still be able to run the Reactive plates. Then again maybe the Sentinel should be reworked entirely because of this.

I'm sure other suits are extremely limited in their high slots, and would benefit more from having all armor as low slot modules. Then again maybe I'm wrong.

I do feel that the shield regulators should definitely be moved to high slots, along with several other utility type modules if my idea for the addition of a Medium slot is unfeasible.

At first this post made me mad due to it' being a "my uncle" story but as I thought about it, yes that guy is doing something we're not. If he has a pro logi then he has a free complex repper not to mention five open low slots. Does that mean the armor < shield argument is invalid? No. There's likely to be other reasons available for this man's superman like tanking skills not included in the story as well as the fact this doesn't solve armor for assaults, mediums, heavies, and sentinels. What I can say is that if being a pro logi makes armor tanking feasible then we have only reinforced the need for racial armor bonuses.