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I wanted to discuss the effect of armor on side stepping. As far as movement goes I am ok with sprint being significantly reduced. However armor has the undesired effect of making you easier to hit in a fire fight. Basically you take more damage which negates the point of armor.

So I now leaning more towards the armor reducing sprint penalty but not walk penalty. How do y'all feel about that?

Cat Merc's idea, the one that I was supporting, isn't quite like that. I do like the idea of using fitting requirements to balance things out more, but I would be very hesitant to have 'super mods' which do massive things but need loads of resources, because then you get lots of slots free, and inherently slots can be used in turn for resource expanders so you can get more on. In addition to being disciplined with your fitting practices, you can get a situation where you can fit quite a few of these modules on and that ends up unbalancing things.

The other thing is that the penalties on those plates are very harsh. If you're going to go that route, I'd say 5/10/15 or 5/7.5/10, because if it's a jump from 10% to 20% penalty for only 60 more HP, then people will be hesitant to use them, especially with the massive requirements for the complex.

With the numbers you've suggested, I think that people would stick to using enhanced plates, or maybe even stacking basics. Indeed, stacking basics would have a very powerful effect because they have barely any fitting requirements, and they give very large amounts of HP. You could quite feasibly stack 3 of them on with a pair of complex reppers on a GaLogi and end up with 617 raw armour HP, in addition to a repair rate of 17.5 - 25 HP/s, without a very big penalty. That's actually really quite powerful, and you have to remember that it's leaving lots of fitting resources free. You could then quite easily get triple complex damage mods or proto equipment in addition to a proto weapon/grenade.

I think that the movement penalty for armour plates should definitely be there, but not in such a draconian form that it encourages people to use the lower tiers exclusively. A flat rate throughout the tiers might be ideal, like 5% all the way through, or otherwise tweak the penalty so it only affects sprint speed/stamina.

I do quite like your repairer - it's very similar to the Cat Merc idea and I've become fond of it. It's less that it's a straight buff and more that it improves role definition.




As a side note, I've been thinking about fitting resources and looking the the EvE model (which isn't the greatest comparison for dust, but in terms of fitting it really is very similar). What if HP, tank, and weapon modules were the main things which consumed powergrid? You could weight the requirements for those so you could fit a solid tank with them, but then have more CPU free for utility modules.
Basically:
- HP, and tank modules (e.g. repairers and plates) more heavily weighted for powergrid. Shields would take mroe CPU and armour more PG, but they'd still be emphasising the PG requriement.
- Utility modules (e.g. kinetic catalyzers and damage modifiers) more heavily weighted for CPU.

That would encourage people fitting a solid tank for one type of HP, but then taking advantage of the various utilities available to the tank type, like speed modules for shield tankers.
The dropsuit resources could also be tweaked so that, say, Caldari dropsuits could have lots of CPU but less PG, and Gallente dropsuits could have lots of PG but less CPU. If Amarr dropsuits were to be brought firmly into the armour tanking fold, in addition to slot tweaks they could be given a hefty chunk of PG but lacking in CPU.

What do you think?

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lol 28 pages and over 6k views and still nothing. Tis' a damn shame.....


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DONT NO BODY FORGET ABOUT THE AMARR.. just because CCP cocked up the slot lay out does not means we aren't as dedicated armour tankers as you Gallenteans are.

Well I don't think that the suits should have their module distribution changed, but since the amarr are dual tanks looking at their distribution 2% for both shields and armor.

Why not? Armor tankers need as many low slots as they can get due to having to fit repairers, and you don't need more than 2 damage mods.

Because we shouldnt be forced to lose a low slot for armor repair, it should be an option. Also the differencw between 2 damage mods and 3 is 6.5%, so 3 damage mods is pretty good.

Amarr has far superior PG/CPU, so while Gallente people may have to run around with Enhanced with maybe 1 complex mod, we can usually roll the opposite (Lots of complex with maybe 1 enhanced).

It balances out.. Eventually..

*cough*fitting modules*cough*

I think that the CPU/PG of reactive plates needs to be cut down. Ferroscale is not that bad as it falls about in line with shields extenders though shield extenders are still a bit better with natural regeneration. Reactive is DEFINITELY not worth it on anything other than maybe a scout that has no room for a repair module.


EDIT: Even for scouts reactive are not very good as light frames have limited PG/CPU and reactives take a ridiculous level of fitting.