I'm just kind of disappointed by the lack of developer response. Just a simple acknowledgement, a simple "Hey, we see this" would make me feel much better.

I think the point I was trying to make is we get plenty of "hey I see that" but get very little "this is what we are doing to fix it, these are the numbers, response?"

I am disappointed for all the time I invested trying to get as much information out to at least be noticed by CCP, and maybe just maybe they did notice me, but did they listen to me? No, Did they listen to anybody who posted on any of these threads? No, and chances are they won't listen now. Maybe if we keep bringing up the issue they will notice and they will make a change, in the future, and maybe just maybe armor won't be garbage and those of us who have persevered on will finally get something we enjoy and call our own. Unfortunately we know CCP, we might fool ourselves and we might fool others, but we all know how CCP works that is if they do notice and they decide to do the right thing how long will it take them, 3 months? 6 months? A year? To fix an issue that has been brought up countless times since before Uprising, since closed beta? They obviously have more "important" things to do, like adding new bundle packs to make their wallets fatter instead of fixing one of many broken gameplay elements.

EDIT: This is not even about the time I invested, it is about the time and thought we all invested. We didn't just sit here typing a bunch of random ****. We logically took a problem and came up with a infinite amount of solutions none of which CCP took and applied.

well I guess at least gallente mediums look 10x cooler than amarr, minnmouse and caldari combined

Armor needs more HP for 3 reasons

It repairs slowly even with a basic repper
innate reppers rep slowly
Armor is way slower than shields

Here, I'll give you another tidbit of info to try to help you guys out with your efforts over there.

The deminishing returns work by taking into acount the lowest percentage first. My guess is that this is because the speed penalty is a negative effect, where as, something like a damage mod would work the opposit way: taking into account the module with highest percentage first, resulting in a higher return. For instance:

Ferroscale plate 1: 100% of 0.0%
Ferroscale plate 2: 87% of 0.0%
Reactive plate 1: 57.1% of 2.0%
Reactive plate 2: 28.3% of 2.0%
Vanilla plate 1: 10.6% of 10.0%

This is how it is currently working. This seems very well balanced.

So what's the verdict?

Ferro doesn't add competitive HP and cost more fitting-wise then plates?
Reactives cost a very high amount fitting and in trying to do two modules work do neither well enough?

Taken from here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1004241#post1004241

Taken from here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1004241#post1004241

So your saying if I have a complex and a enhanced plate I wouldn't lose 10% speed?

Yes.

Yes.

Aw man, I really want my proto suit now. I only have 3 lows and I can't drop a rep to make this work. Also, why did it take so long to figure this out? Or was it some dark secret I didn't know about?

But why do shields recharge faster and have more hp and it been proven that extender net more benifits then damange modifiers unless your a sniper.

I like how armor was actually buffed but no one knew sorry ccp.

Even with the buff it's still way worse than shields.
Plus we don't know if it was intended to be this way, it might just be a mathematical error.

Taken from here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1004241#post1004241

Even with the buff it's still way worse than shields.
Plus we don't know if it was intended to be this way, it might just be a mathematical error.

Even with the buff it's still way worse than shields.
Plus we don't know if it was intended to be this way, it might just be a mathematical error.

I'm thinking:

Complex Ferroscale Plate 1: 100% of 0.0%
Basic Armor Plate 1: 87% of 3.0%
Enhanced Armor Plate 1: 57.1% of 5.0%
Complex Armor Plate 1: 28.3% of 10.0%

With Armor Upgrades 4 that would result in 608 hp of armor with only an 8.3% movement penalty! (Need a logi for reps though.)

There you go. You guys just need to play around with this stuff a little. I run the fit that I posted about because I run a lot of high end equipment. It suits my play stile. There is a lot that can be done with this though.

As far as reacharging faster, that is the nature of the beast. Armor repair tanking can be very competitive against shield tanking. I should know my favorite fit is an armor repair tank Gal logi, repairing now at 25.75 HP/sec. Armor repair also as no delay, so you are continuously repairing even in the midle of a fire fight. Combo this with the new energizer (complex) and two complex shield extenders and you got yourself a pretty hot fit.

As far as benifits to combat effectiveness to shields over armor, again this is the nature of the beast. Armor has a higher potential eHP than shields especially with the way these new plates are working. All in all though it is not entirely true that shield is more effective, for instance:

Scrambler rifle
Laser rifle (if they ever get around to making it relevant again)
Flux
Gallente AR
Caldari gauss rifle (when it finally gets here)
Sniper rifle
Shot gun

The problem a lot of the time is that a lot of people do not stay mindful of these strengths in battle, and thus get very frustrated.

There you go. You guys just need to play around with this stuff a little. I run the fit that I posted about because I run a lot of high end equipment. It suits my play stile. There is a lot that can be done with this though.

But it forces us to be very Logi dependant and our HP still doesn't exceed shields. In order for there to be a balance or a benefit different than shields we need to have equal HP and slightly lower repair, or Higher HP and lower repair.