You guys can't forget weapon damage profiles and their effects on tanks' resistances.

I don't think we can say that 500 shield HP = 500 armor HP.

When it comes to the AR, 600 Shield HP = 500 armor HP.
When it comes to the scrambler rifle, 700 shield HP = 500 armor HP.
Mass driver: 500 shield = 800 armor.

There are a lot of variables to this issue. Speed, damage resistance, regeneration, fitting requirements, slots and types (like how there are more low slot modules then high slot modules). That's why the OP is so exhaustive. There is no magic bullet to fix it. But, damnit, we should still try.

I actually tried a Shield Tanker earlier (Every time I make a Caldari, it turns out to be my pure tanker, or it doesn't get far before I decide I want to make room for a Heavy...), and holy crap. I was using a Militia Caldari Medium Dropsuit, with a Complex + Enhanced Shield Extenders on it, a PG Upgrade, Injector, etc. And... I went 12/2 in my first fight. So... I'm keeping that suit.

Functioning Proto nanite injectors, means a potential rep of over 400 armor HP in 3 seconds.

I found another good build for assaults and basics
One Ferro scale plates two enhanced plates and 1 complex plate
and three complex extenders
This will give you 887.7 hp with 6.25 repair at the cost of 7% movement penalty

Where is the 6.25 repair coming from your stacking 4 plates and I see no repairer.

Its magic.

I hope it's not a bug, but ferro plates not only have no movement penatly, but also reduce the penalty of regular plates via stacking penalty. Great for true armor tankers with lots of low slots. Try it yourself, put one complex On, then stack ferro plates and watch your speed rise.

But.... With explosives actually working again, I can't count how many of my pro suits have been instantly evaporated.

Reduce explosive dmg, or give me my laser counter back and I think all will be good.

Lest it be forgotten I would like to once again remind everyone that not every role in the game is a "slayer" role focused on DPS. Hacking, scouting, support (and if we were talking about vehicles transport as well) are all valid non-slayer battlefield roles which may have little to no use for damage mods whatsoever. Balancing tanking as if it's all about slayers is bad balance.


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You are pretty funny, I like it

Look, check the high slots. You have Scanner, Shield and Damage. Scanner doesn't mean anything in midrange combat. I can see its use in sniper and shotgun close range building combat.

So that leaves you with a choice. Damage mods or Shields. For high slots, pick one. If you pick damage mods, you are an Armor Tank or a Speed Tank or Terrain/Profile Tank (Sniper). If you pick Shields, then you go from there.

So talk the "Slayer" talk all you want, Until CCP adds new High Slot modules

Damage or Shield.


[Edit]: Yea yea yea, you can run Damage AND shield. but you are gimping your tank.

Where is the 6.25 repair coming from your stacking 4 plates and I see no repairer.

Oh typo it's suppose to be complex repair not plate.

I only read the first two pages FYI. 20 seemed kind of excessive.

I am mainly a shield guy but entirely agree with a lot that has been said by the OP. I think a large increase in armour plates should be implemented, but (CCP) PLEASE try to balance this in a controlled, rigorous, and even slow, if necessary, manner. I've only been playing for a few months and the one thing I've noticed is that every balancing attempt results in overkill. The TAR is maybe a good example. The incredible strafe speed upgrade in 1.2 is maybe another. Anyway, nice thread I hope to see some repossession to this soon; I'm tired of picking on gallentes constantly, I'd like to equally love killing caldaris (I'm a minmatar)

Also! PG and CPU upgrades should fit in both high and low... I mean why not. Limiting them to just low hurts low module powered suits. Wasn't that obvious from day one?

Hi guys,

There have been no changes to strafe speed. The movement settings in 1.2 are the same as they were before. I suspect it simply feels a little different because performance is now so much better :-)

CCP Wolfman

There was no strafe speed upgrade.

Well, that was proven wrong.
There IS a strafe speed increase, they don't even know >_>

I had no idea a Flux could kill until today. I was being shot at, someone threw a Flux, and... Yea. Every time I try to kill with a Flux, I get disappointed and somehow, much more than 1 HMG is pointed at my face.

EDIT: 13th, it looks like you need a like. So here you go.

A flux grenade kills did they get a buff ? I know a av grenade can kill a passenger of a llav always thought flux was only useful in breaking up a group of cal logis for at least 10sec till they get all their shield back .

From what I'm gathering death from flux grenade is a bug. Something about jumping. I'm too sleepy to google.

Where is the proof?