seriously, please tell me this was a huge mistake. there is a maximum distance I can see character models away from. It changes depending on what type of weapon I have equipped. Different sniper zooms let you see further, but even the Thale's has a limit.

The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.
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I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I am experiencing only with the forge gun, Thank you LaFerrari.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Sniper Rifles.

I have a range of 599m and can't see anybody past 400m (yes I can see to 400m). Seems redundant. Skirmish matches are almost pointless

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hey, if you get good at it you could be the best counter-sniper in the game.

Straight up. In this case, taking a step back is a legitimate threat O_o;

Haha I'm not sure I take your point? good at what? Running and gunning? I do that regularly in an ambush..... why would I play a skirmish for that? Sorry if I've misunderstood lol

What I'm saying is taking a step back and dipping out of the visible spectrum as a valid tactic.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

On the Tactical Assault rifle (zoomed in) , I can see a player running around from a distance as a small stick figure, shoot and kill him. If I don't use the scope there is no render, I should be able to see a speck moving if there is a player there regardless of whether or not the player is killable at the range I am at. If it were tied to a set range of sight rather than range of weapon it would make more sense as I can and do kill at range where they are outside the render view when not scoped and would like to be able to see that there is someone I need to scope to kill.

Not sure but i had a few times were bullets were firing at me and I could not see the person just bullets coming at me.the weapon I was using was the HMG not sure if this causes my site to be less based on my weapon choice?

That's probably because they were out of your weapon range, but you was in their weapon range so they saw you . You beter fix that visual contact cut off range at constant value for everybody. It should be sligtly bigger than a longest weapon's range at max skills levels...

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Um, yeah, this isn't going to work. This ruins a great many tactical options. What if I want to scout for my tank buddies, or sniper buddies? What if I want to know where is that sniper that just took a shot at me. What if I want to see where to place an orbital?

Please optimize in some other way. I don't care how common it is in other shooters. I don't play those other shooters.

Do a framerate check or something maybe, if you aren't already doing that, before restricting the view distance on players.

Frankly, being able to see the enemy is almost as fundamental as you can get for this type of game.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Does this bug have anything to do with the low res models not loading in the war barge? Half the plays are invisible in that thing on load up and trying to walk though a unloaded model?

...can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I think I'm finally convinced that CCP does not play the game we Love. Stop developing for our game, if you don't even play it. How can you ever know whatGÇÖs wrong with the game? If your not just as involved with the community and playing the game with us. We are speaking out because we love this game, not from malice.

I have not had that problem occur, while the one I started this thread for I encounter every single time.

Sniper Rifles.

I have a range of 599m and can't see anybody past 400m (yes I can see to 400m). Seems redundant. Skirmish matches are almost pointless

Your are a beta tester. Your job is to play the game at find bugs then report. How cant you understand that?

. . .
Side note, Bullets from the rifles are NOT moving anywhere near the speed stated in their facts. I've seen players 3x their distance by time the bullet has left it mark.

I still managed to get 36 thought :)

So the average is more around 10/15 and most of those kills are less that 400 Mtrs. :(

H.D

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Render all players all the time. Find some other way to optimize. Not rendering players might improve the framerate, but this is far from optimization. This is damaging the game.

I really don't understand why people are so upset about not being able to see players, or being able to see them but never hit. I use laser rifles and since the patch, everything I see remains rather safe as I don't have the range to hit it, nor the ability to see it through my pretty iron sights.
Not being as much of an ass as it seems, I really can see player models all the way across the map. However I usually have to look for them, they don't just appear as though I'm using binoculars for everything. A players inability to instantly see everything on the battlefield isn't really all that bad of a thing. All in all, I'd have to say I'm for it remaining as it is.
Oh, and CCP, please rename Dust 514 to AR Win. At least then we can stop pretending there's a rock paper scissors element and everyone can get themselves a shiny assault rifle with a winmatar logi suit.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

While you're at it, ask them how an enemy player can stand next to you and shoot you and not show on your scanner...

Thanks in advance.
Bill

Your are a beta tester. Your job is to play the game at find bugs then report. How cant you understand that?

This bug seems to be fixed or at least a whole lot better with today's hot fixes. Can a DEV confirm if any thing was changed.

Hi,

We recently removed the Z component when calculating the distance between the player and other units so the culling would behave the same regardless of the relative elevation between the two.

I believe that change was deployed as part of the server update yesterday and most likely caused the improvement you experienced.

Our long term goal is still to optimize the processing of each unit as much as possible so the client can afford simulating (not just rendering but also animation, logic, networking etc) more units at the same time and hopefully we can change the culling to what used to be in Chromosome.

Please trust me, this issue was not forgotten or overlooked, we just need the time to fix it without affecting client performance too much.

With that said: on which map, and in which game mode did you get those 36 kills?

Getting this a lot when sniping from buildings. You have this clear view of the whole field... and very very few people are rendered. I'd say it's been a factor on EVERY level that I've sniped, so it's not just a Manus Peak problem, or what have you.

For me, it seems somewhere around the 300m area (half the range of the sniper rifle, basically) people stop rendering. It results in some quirks like people backstepping slightly and disappearing, and suddenly appearing later.

In one particularly amusing instance, both myself and enemy snipers had set up on the towers on opposite sides of Line Harvest. So, these fellows were eye-level, straight across from me. However, none of them rendered unless they stepped onto the inclined part of the tower facing me. If they backpedaled, they vanished.

Similarly, in Spine Crescent, sniping from a tower in the main complex, the people on the roofs of E and D weren't rendering.

I've also had people not rendering when using the Scrambler, despite them being in range (per the HUD information), and that sort of thing. This is really really really really really bad right now. I thought going to 480p might make people render at further distances (since you don't really need the optimization when the graphics are so much poorer), but it was just as bad.

+3

Thank you Laferrari and all the Dev's. We know you all are working hard and are grateful for it.

It gets worse. I had a situation recently where an enemy Sniper could see me, but I could not see him. My squadmate, right beside me could not see the enemy either, but the enemy could not see my squadmate either, just me.

Now, I know, many are going to ask how I know this. Well, here's what happened. I'm on top of a building, so I have a clear line of sight. I get sniped, so I move to cover. I wait for my shields, and again go for exposure to shoot the enemy sniper. Again, as soon as I'm exposed, I get hit. I do this as many as 5 or 6 times, all while observing where the shots are coming from. Next, I move to my squadmate, also on the same building, and also on the lookout for the enemy sniper. This time I expose myself by moving to the side, and I'm actually behind my squadmate. I still get hit as soon as I'm exposed, but my squadmate, also exposed, does not get hit, nor can he see the enemy sniper.

Please fix this.

I just want to say, the support from the community is much appreciated and needed :)

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I know you guys are going on about snipers but this is a huge issue with railgun turrets both for tank snipers and installation operators like I occasionally am.

I actually pull out a sniper which has further rendering distance than most turrets in order to scope and sight targets before just firing at nothingness with my installation to take things out. (Yes, it actually works because the round travels beyond render distance somehow).

Still, it's odd when I notice my tank driving allies or myself are getting shot by railgun rounds coming quite literally from nothing so we shoot back at the nothing and mystically destroy an invisible militia tank that was seated there.

It's not just infantry, it's everything. I've killed invisible installations, invisible vehicles (LAVs, HAVs, Derpships), and of course invisible infantry while in a railgun turret. It's cute and all but, as I know how frustrating it is to be on the receiving side, render distances are something that still need tweaking.

I know you guys are going on about snipers but this is a huge issue with railgun turrets both for tank snipers and installation operators like I occasionally am.

I actually pull out a sniper which has further rendering distance than most turrets in order to scope and sight targets before just firing at nothingness with my installation to take things out. (Yes, it actually works because the round travels beyond render distance somehow).

Still, it's odd when I notice my tank driving allies or myself are getting shot by railgun rounds coming quite literally from nothing so we shoot back at the nothing and mystically destroy an invisible militia tank that was seated there.

It's not just infantry, it's everything. I've killed invisible installations, invisible vehicles (LAVs, HAVs, Derpships), and of course invisible infantry while in a railgun turret. It's cute and all but, as I know how frustrating it is to be on the receiving side, render distances are something that still need tweaking.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

just wanted the #100 post. still waiting on a response and status of this ridiculous problem that they never should have had. 24 days since Dev post.

. players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers

That is so completely wrong it's not funny. Explain to your community the reasoning behind this. I find it absurd. Not only do sniper/scouts have a decreased scan profile, now they are not even rendering? If he can see me, I had DAMN Well be able to see him. Give everyone the same render distance. Just Cuz I can't shoot past 100 yards doesn't mean I'm I'm not actively looking for sniper bumps on the horizon to flank or point out.

The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I have an idea why instead of using only the reach of our weapon why not also use the reach of the enemies weapon too.

That way we can see the people who can kill us and prevent that.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi you could set the render distance to the falloff distance of bullets when you add it in + a 100 so you can see the enemy and line up the shot before they get in range.

It should be removed for dropships they need to see all , tanks and turrets installations should also show to all

Again, no word to the community and no annotation in the patch notes: 1.2 has brought the draw distance to 200m (absent of Z-axis). This is still gravely insignificant, and even more frustrating that there is no mention of it from official sources. Snipers are still invisible to other snipers unless you know precisely where to look. Max range, using a spotter or watching allies engage in combat, still does not exceed 500m

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Nice! because of some change, the ground swallows up people on all surfaces past 200m. 100% cover while being on flat-ground.

Nova Knives. I followed the sound of a sniper rifle and had stopped to look for the sniper. Then the shot was fired and the bullet trail source flashed right in front of me. I took the chance and slashed at empty air and got the kill after which the body rendered.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

status?

Nice! because of some change, the ground swallows up people on all surfaces past 200m. 100% cover while being on flat-ground.

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I've noticed this. Also I noticed if you're in one of those places where "the ground swallows you up" and come in on an up-link, then it looks like you've spawned inside a wall for a second.

[quote=Appia Vibbia]
The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

Nice! because of some change, the ground swallows up people on all surfaces past 200m. 100% cover while being on flat-ground.

Hi,

We've read all your posts and the video posted by Enderr Wigginn is especially helpful (thanks for doing that).
We're currently evaluating a few options to mitigate this issue, will reply to the thread once any action is taken about this.

Again, thanks for the feedback. We couldn't possibly realize how serious the problem is without hearing from you guys directly.

The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

No offense but shouldn't all players be able to see the same distance.. How are you supposed to see where you're being sniped from if you can't see the guy shooting at you because he doesn't render.

i love how they say that but large rails have pretty hard rendering cap on infantry at 300m but they can fire 599m just like sniper rifles but snipers can see all the 599m.

Yeh we had this problem re-occur the other night quite a few times, but only seems to be heavies that are able to spawn cloaked. Lucky Lowratehitman managed to capture one when recording and did a slow motion analysis on where and what was happening. You can view his invisible Heavy here.

...This thread is about ...
It's about Mercs not rendering over about 200M most of the time.
It's about Mercs disappearing into structures, clipping through walls, into buildings and other nonsense....

last we heard from any blue on this is that its done on purpose in order to privide graphics improvments.


so wont be reverted back due to it requireing a reset back to the old graphics.


aka were stuck with crappy rendering untill ps4

Hi,

We've read all your posts and the video posted by Enderr Wigginn is especially helpful (thanks for doing that).
We're currently evaluating a few options to mitigate this issue, will reply to the thread once any action is taken about this.

Again, thanks for the feedback. We couldn't possibly realize how serious the problem is without hearing from you guys directly.

The rendering systems got their share of optimization and improvement love as well

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/08/uprising-1.4-and-beyond

Lets hope this has fixed some of the issues!

- body becomes visible after being hit once and stays visible till kill at long ranges

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

I was killed today about 20 time by invisible snipers you can't see them on map.

If the PS3 struggles to render the game as it is, I see why you have put in render limits.

However this is a really really bad idea in a FPS, not being able to see targets because they are too far to render is just plain wrong.

Not only that its not always consistent, it seems to change all the time, the distance at which things render.

We need optimisations to increase the FPS. At the same time draw distance needs to be the same for ALL.

This is one of the major reasons I wanted dust on a damn PC. None of this struggling old hardware. Having said that the PS3 CAN render other games like BF3 , and others so why the problem here?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

AR (Burst and Tactical versions), Scrambler, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, Mass Driver, Sniper Rifle, Forge Gun, Flaylock Pistols

Did I forget any? The grenades too thats right.

Post 1.4:

I was just in a game where I rendered a player model at 564m. This is great news! Not sure if this game was an anomaly, but is a step in a promising direction. I will note, however, that half of a large turret installation did not render at this distance. Whether that is intended or not remains to be seen..... but still. I'm happy that the player model rendered.

That have been some random people rendering at that distance for a bit now. However, the guy you saw probably had 3-4 other teammates next to him that you couldn't see at the same time

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. I believe what you're experiencing is the side effect of an optimization we did in Uprising.

The optimization is about only simulating the characters within certain distance around your local player, which is a very common technique for games that have large maps. The view distance is partially tied to the weapon the player is using since for instance players using an assault rifle don't need to see as far as snipers.

I'll talk to the relevant devs about this. In the meantime, can you guys provide a list of weapons that are most annoying?