DUST Search - Mass Driver is unplayable ..SERIOUSLY BS

Smoky The Bear wrote:

Thor McStrut wrote:

Cosgar's Alt wrote:

It's not greedy when a game mechanic is altered based on personal opinion when a company prides itself on transparency through attention to player feedback. Aside from the occasional person crying nerf that would get shut down by players that have been on both sides of the weapon, there wasn't any feedback warranting these sweeping changes. Even with the desynch issues which are entirely unrelated, having the Chrome equivalent of the MD now would only be fair since EHP had been significantly buffed and nanohives were nerfed, which starve the weapon as well. At the very least, we would have some semblance of a fighting chance. Instead, we get stuck with a lower ROF AR that just happens to shoot grenades when they want to work when a sidearm with similar properties does the job better.
Also, after next week our discontent will fall on blind eyes when fused locus grenades begin selling for in game currency.

I've not worked with the Flaylock yet, but I've been considering it. I hate fused grenades too, but they are only comparable in CQC. You can't throw a nade as far or as accurately as you can with the MD. The fact that they are both in the isk and aur market is a terrible decision, but that's getting off topic.

I don't know, I'm not here to argue with you guys. I just feel that we need to moderate our requests, since CCP can't moderate their balancing. Demanding big sweeping changes, or full reverts is counter productive, and often ends with a weapon being severely OP'd or drastically nerfed. We can't possibly know how a weapon will perform and without a test server available to the public, I think we need to go about making changes little by little.

BUd they arent going to do anything no matter how understated your request..

If anything they should give the MD a buff UP from Chromosome to Uprising.. Since the suits were all buffed and mechanics/nanos were borked..
Whats so wrong with wanting a weapon that does its intended job? And here you are talking yourselves into a state of blandness and obscurity.. I didnt come here to play AR, and If thats the only choice then I choose to leave..

Im all in for the MD.. If they don't return it to what it was, they will lose me and many others.. period


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Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:59:00 - [1] - Quote I use the MD, specifically the EXO, as my primary weapon. As the days wear on, I've grown used to the changes. The flatter trajectory, the random smoke trails, the occasional duds. These two below are the things that, IMO, have the most damaging affect on MD users; Splash damage not applying correctly from vertical surfaces, ie walls, nor to anyone standing above where the shell explodes on a sloped surface. The smoke trail not accurately identifying the actual trajectory of the shell, nor ending where the shell explodes. These two specific problems lead to a severe hampering of developing actual skill with the weapon, and lead to a more spray-n-pray type of game. I, unlike others here, won't be speccing out of this weapon. It still has a role to serve, and is still functional enough to somewhat get the job done. I do get kills with this weapon, I still get many assists, and I can go toe to toe with heavies, assaults with ARs, and slaughter scouts that aren't paying attention. I can engage at range, motivate people to move in and out of cover, and cause general havoc where needed. All that said, this weapon still needs fine tuning. I'd like them to fix the synch issues first though, before touching trajectory, damage, splash, clip size, ect.... CCP, please, give us the players time with a WORKING weapon before making any more changes to this weapon!
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.05.31 00:50:00 - [2] - Quote I can't dispute any of what you're saying Cross, but why is it that so many here are using the MD in logi suits? I run an armor tanked Gal assault with complex damage mod and shield extender, flux nades and nanohive. I'm currently experimenting with a double repped and double plated suit. I personally like the double plated fit better, but I really don't have enough games in with the double repper to accurately compare. There are so many situations where the MD is the wrong weapon to have, that I'd be pissed without my SMG. With the logi being slower and no sidearm, I'd think that any AR would be a better weapon choice for a logi. More versatile, more ammo, more even damage distribution.
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.05.31 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: I can't dispute any of what you're saying Cross, but why is it that so many here are using the MD in logi suits? I run an armor tanked Gal assault with complex damage mod and shield extender, flux nades and nanohive. I'm currently experimenting with a double repped and double plated suit. I personally like the double plated fit better, but I really don't have enough games in with the double repper to accurately compare. There are so many situations where the MD is the wrong weapon to have, that I'd be pissed without my SMG. With the logi being slower and no sidearm, I'd think that any AR would be a better weapon choice for a logi. More versatile, more ammo, more even damage distribution. The MD was a good support weapon for a class that can run support. We don't want the weapon rolled back to make it easier to get kills, we want the tactical aspects back for the weapon. Defending points, scattering squads that use blob warfare, herding enemies away from a downed ally to raise them. All that is gone and the MD has been downgraded from a weapon of terror, to a potato lanucher that you could instill more fear by swinging it. I get it. As far as a weapon of terror, I still get primary'd as soon as I loose my first shell. So someone is still scared of it. I honestly feel that just having a reliable trajectory and consistent explosions that damage people within the blast radius would go very far in reviving our role. I would like to see the Chromosome arc come back, and maybe a tertiary skill to further increase the blast radius, but I'm not trying to be greedy.
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 20	Posted - 2013.05.31 02:39:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: It's not greedy when a game mechanic is altered based on personal opinion when a company prides itself on transparency through attention to player feedback. Aside from the occasional person crying nerf that would get shut down by players that have been on both sides of the weapon, there wasn't any feedback warranting these sweeping changes. Even with the desynch issues which are entirely unrelated, having the Chrome equivalent of the MD now would only be fair since EHP had been significantly buffed and nanohives were nerfed, which starve the weapon as well. At the very least, we would have some semblance of a fighting chance. Instead, we get stuck with a lower ROF AR that just happens to shoot grenades when they want to work when a sidearm with similar properties does the job better. Also, after next week our discontent will fall on blind eyes when fused locus grenades begin selling for in game currency. I've not worked with the Flaylock yet, but I've been considering it. I hate fused grenades too, but they are only comparable in CQC. You can't throw a nade as far or as accurately as you can with the MD. The fact that they are both in the isk and aur market is a terrible decision, but that's getting off topic. I don't know, I'm not here to argue with you guys. I just feel that we need to moderate our requests, since CCP can't moderate their balancing. Demanding big sweeping changes, or full reverts is counter productive, and often ends with a weapon being severely OP'd or drastically nerfed. We can't possibly know how a weapon will perform and without a test server available to the public, I think we need to go about making changes little by little.
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 23	Posted - 2013.05.31 04:50:00 - [5] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Cosgar's Alt wrote: It's not greedy when a game mechanic is altered based on personal opinion when a company prides itself on transparency through attention to player feedback. Aside from the occasional person crying nerf that would get shut down by players that have been on both sides of the weapon, there wasn't any feedback warranting these sweeping changes. Even with the desynch issues which are entirely unrelated, having the Chrome equivalent of the MD now would only be fair since EHP had been significantly buffed and nanohives were nerfed, which starve the weapon as well. At the very least, we would have some semblance of a fighting chance. Instead, we get stuck with a lower ROF AR that just happens to shoot grenades when they want to work when a sidearm with similar properties does the job better. Also, after next week our discontent will fall on blind eyes when fused locus grenades begin selling for in game currency. I've not worked with the Flaylock yet, but I've been considering it. I hate fused grenades too, but they are only comparable in CQC. You can't throw a nade as far or as accurately as you can with the MD. The fact that they are both in the isk and aur market is a terrible decision, but that's getting off topic. I don't know, I'm not here to argue with you guys. I just feel that we need to moderate our requests, since CCP can't moderate their balancing. Demanding big sweeping changes, or full reverts is counter productive, and often ends with a weapon being severely OP'd or drastically nerfed. We can't possibly know how a weapon will perform and without a test server available to the public, I think we need to go about making changes little by little. BUd they arent going to do anything no matter how understated your request.. If anything they should give the MD a buff UP from Chromosome to Uprising.. Since the suits were all buffed and mechanics/nanos were borked.. Whats so wrong with wanting a weapon that does its intended job? And here you are talking yourselves into a state of blandness and obscurity.. I didnt come here to play AR, and If thats the only choice then I choose to leave.. Im all in for the MD.. If they don't return it to what it was, they will lose me and many others.. period There is nothing wrong with wanting a weapon that does its intended job. There is something wrong with saying "it's my way or the highway". I'm doing what you're wanting with the EXO every day. Could it be better? A little, yeah. But honestly, I consider myself a below average player, and I have good success. I don't want everyone and their mom using it, cus I know what I can do with it. If you're on your way out, don't forget to contract your MDs to me. Thanks for playing. Come back and tell us how Ghosts is.
Thor McStrut Intara Direct Action Caldari State 23	Posted - 2013.05.31 05:24:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar's Alt wrote: Look at how few people used it in Chrome. I don't think we'll ever have to worry about the MD being the FotM... ever.... True. I can count on two fingers the times I've squared off against other MD users in this build. But where are people going to go after the TAC changes coming? Hopefully to Scramblers. I need more teammates to strip away shields.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 26	Posted - 2013.06.07 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote I hear ya. I got a kill last night at 118m. I felt like a champ! One of my favorite things to do is engage snipers and FG at range. It's more challenging and fun to place shells and pick up a kill at range then to just run around on the ground dodging grenades and trying to separate mobs.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 28	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You guys do realize there has been a projectile bug fix already made but its waiting for a code deployment? The question is when? This should be a hotfix deployed long ago when the desync issue was discovered.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 34	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote I had the same experience last night. With the more consistent aiming, I did find myself having to relearn where to aim again, but it came back quickly. I'm very satisfied that I didn't respec into something else, and just stuck it out. The improved smoke, blast radius and splash damage application was fantastic. In fact, I dueled with several people on the other team wielding MD for the first time in weeks. Unless I was running with the Massholes, I was almost always the only guy on the field with a MD since Chromo. Just waiting for the wifey to relinquish the TV now. Looking forward to the 3x SP this weekend!