Removal of SP cap = No one spending AUR or Buying Merc packs = Leaving the game to COD players. Good luck

How about you remove SP as a reward all together?

Use EVE's skill system, and give us implants.

Not going to read the entire thread need cliff notes. Somebody hook me up.

All actions have repercussions. You can't just eliminate the cap and declare them gone.

There will ALWAYS be a significant difference between players, at least an order of magnitude, generally two. There are players getting 3,000 WP and 50 WP in each match.

CCP isn't really willing to just cut the knot or they wouldn't be lowering the SP gain per WP. They don't want to throw the door wide open for the SP fanatics to rush through.

The WP/SP curb is the new throttle that replaces the cap throttle.

So you have to take a look at what effects THAT new throttle will have, and it isn't pretty.

The experienced players will continue to receive the majority of WP's in each match and leave the lower level players to gain WP/SP at a rate 1-2 orders of magnitude less. So if the top earners are kept to a "reasonable" SP gain (as defined by CCP), the lower earners will be 1-2 orders of magnitude BELOW a reasonable rate.

That low earning population is going to include 90% of all new players and most will lose patience with the glacial pace of progression. They won't be willing or able to put in 10 to 100 times the hours of the top earners to obtain a reasonable progression.


Bottom line:
The WP/SP curb is a regressive tax on new players that is only required because of the cap removal, and it will kill interest in the game.

Your point is an instanced detail and has no place in my argument.

Furthermore on the subject, let me say this;

I will NOT BE PURCHASING ANY AURUM in this game if this idea is implemented. If the end goal of CCP is to create a game that entices players to spend money for in game items and skill points, removing the skill point cap and flat-lining all the items makes advancing my character or having "good loot" a moot point.

I read your post.

I disagree with you.

I'm not "QQ" because I am stating my opinion and it happens to disagree with yours. As do the majority of posters so far. Don't get "salty" because you're in the minority, now.

Nearly ALL players new to DUST will be low WP earners.
How many will stick it out to earn enough SP to become average?

Look this hole thing is over whether or not we want people to be stronger than us. People will be stronger no matter what and dust does a decent job of balancing itself without the skill cap as the diffrence between equipment is not that great and leaves plenty of room for skillled player or players working as a team to kill the best gear lonewolfing even though they were in gear as bad as militia gear. The sp cap was an answer to cod babies who were used to everything being handed to them and wind for eqality on the forums. Now with that note im not entirely against the idea of the sp cap to slow ones progression ass without it in the 3days ive been playing I could possible be in advance gear already I just dont agree with the sp caps method. In my oppinion the skill payout should be lowered and skillpoint required to upgrade skills hired to the point that it may take 2 weeks of pure grind to get a decent standard suit fit.

Mabey my idea sounds a little overboard to some but the main idea is not to cut people off but instead keep giving but make them work and increase the grind so relitivly a dust mec proto gear is practically a capital ship in eve. Just tweek the sp payouts and sp requirements to make the grind longer.

Now befor I get rampaged by people wishing for eqality well give it up in eve I got 40 mill sp will go out to pvp and can verywell make a 200sp player cry just as in dust a militia suit can kill a proto u just have to be dam smart and hope he aint a match. After all bytime some newbies join were running around in dropships and **** so dont try to hinder there progress by a cap if they grindmore then u so be it theyll catch up and if u grind more ull stay ahead eather way theres new blood to fight against as the instant battle picks ur battles (or is suppose to) based on the amount of sp u got creating matches where everyone is fairly even sp wise as for skill or gear that depends on how u play. In corp matches ur risking throwing a noob into a bunch of adv heavies but hell in a corp battle u took the contract and should be operating as a team in any case.

I hope this thread stops here and ccp ends the cap

People who think in game skills don't make a difference and only real world skill makes the difference are delusional.

Whatever. If the change goes through, I'll keep playing, but CCP won't see another dime from me, at least not in DUST anyways.

These impatient kids who can't appreciate the beauty of slow progression are irritating to say the least, and the fact that CCP is even considering pandering to them, is upsetting at best.

Why should I care about paying to increase how much SP I have, when I know that I will LITERALLY never catch up to no lifers, no matter what I do? They'll be using boosters too, and getting miles and miles and miles ahead.

And yes, I like slow progression, it's the whole reason I got turned onto DUST in the first place. SP management is a skill, and this change will take any form of skill out of that. Just farm to your hearts content, max out the stuff that interests you in a month, and then play laggy CoD in space till you get bored and move on.

Buying a SP booster with no SP cap just screams no life try hard.

Everyone is doing everything except talk hard stat numbers here. So lets talk facts.

Maxed shield skills are 10%
Max armor skills are 10%

10% of what? Well given that the average amount of health is about 150 hp and depending on uniform you wearing being shield or armor heavy lets say half and half.

So 75hp for each sound good?

So that's 7 extra hp per category. My scrambler pistol does about 47 damage a shot.....

My freaking pistol.

the fact lets say maxed out skill buddy gets top of the line Armour.

The Hp difference from top of the line armor is like 50-75 points.

So lets take our dude give him 100hp per category plus the bonus 10% and hes rocking a solid 220 hps.

Not bad I guess till you do the math that a starter sniper rifle does 190 damage. A starter assault rifle does about 35 damage (per bullet!) in a volley of I think 10-15.

Yes in a mach of two soldiers playing roshambo without any kind of outside influence sure skilled out player will most likely win.

But this isn't a game of 1v1 its a game of army vs army and if you think for one second that extra health is going to allow you to kill one guy reload fast kill the guy behind him and maybe kill the guy behind him.... your the delusional one.

Much more likely scenario is that buddy in a frount line fight gets taken down to a sliver of his life, thanks God he skilled up then fights on until either a medic is about or someone polishes him off.

My little brother makes about $80 a week working a couple hours here and there. He spends that money entirely on games and entertainment. He spends the majority of his spare time playing games with his friends and sitting in front of the computer / tv / whatever (though amazingly, he does still play outside). He could very easily afford skill boosters through the month, as could many of his friends who do the same thing (virtually no overhead).

They shouldn't stray from the spirit of EVE. Your max SP should be determined by how long your character has existed. If you're any good, you'll keep up with the SP. If it's all the same, and the small percentages you get don't really change anything, then what's your rush to max everything out? What do you have against a slower rate of progression?

See, what I'm hearing is that you want CCP to speed things up because you have other games to play.

I feel specialized already, and my skills are still pretty low. If they give people as much SP as they like, no one will feel specialized, because everyone will have everything. Keeping the rate of SP slow like in EVE rewards loyal players without directly punishing newer players. The better players will move out of hi security space and be filtered away from newer players, yet everyone knows they're on an even playing field, so to speak.

Keeping SP slow creates a much richer environment, and allows people who specialize to actually BE specialized.