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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2015.09.24 12:36:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
The Gallente Assault Rifle family is fairly underpowered to the rest of them, not statistically per se, but due to other Assault Dropsuits having better Skill bonuses. ThatGÇÖs why we are introducing a very strong bonus into the form of a ROF bonus for Gallente Assault Dropsuits.
My God.
It's... actually happening?
I will go and burn more offerings at the shrine immediately.
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Posted - 2015.09.24 12:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
The Gallente Assault Rifle family is fairly underpowered to the rest of them, not statistically per se, but due to other Assault Dropsuits having better Skill bonuses. ThatGÇÖs why we are introducing a very strong bonus into the form of a ROF bonus for Gallente Assault Dropsuits.
My God. It's... actually happening? I will go and burn more offerings at the shrine immediately. *Throws the Assault Rail Rifle at the shrine* Burn it with the rest! I won't need it anymore!
A Caldari offering?
What is this heresy?
I thought we were friends.
On a related note... 25% RoF bonus? That's insane.
EDIT: But is that 5%, or 5% per level...?
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Posted - 2015.09.24 12:51:00 -
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Just a tiny nitpick - on the spreadsheet, it says the old breach shotgun clip size was 4 and the new is also 4. Should this be 2 and 4?
Also, could we have a clarification on the Galassault bonus? Is it 5% per level, or 5% flat?
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Posted - 2015.09.24 15:53:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Plasma Cannon doesn't get the weakpoint modifier that the Forge Gun gets?
Ratatouille plz Forge Gun is supposed to be the absolute best AV weapon.
Wait, there are meant to be 'best' weapons?
o_O
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:please read the whole thing. Overall a massive buff for dedicated AV, both infantry and vehicle. CCP Rattati wrote:Forge Gun is supposed to be the absolute best AV weapon. Shouldn't swarms, which have no ability to damage infantry at all, be the absolute best AV weapon? Logically, my ability to punt infantry suits with the forge means it's superior to swarms in multiple ways. Does the forge have tracking? the forge is a heavy weapon with loads of drawbacks and therefore packs the highest punch.
The forge has numerous huge improvements over swarms and honestly I can't see that many drawbacks to it.
The forge has pinpoint accuracy out to hundreds of metres. This is, far and away, the longest rangest AV option.
It is nearly hitscan - the projectile travels without dropoff and very quickly. At times, it's even easier to hit with than swarms are thanks to the many oddities of swarm tracking. Additionally, unlike swarms, this gives the target no time to react.
If you whack a dropship in the engine with a damage modded breach forge gun, you will do catastrophic damage. On lesser fits you can OHKO them. With weakpoint sniping (and the forge gun is really the only AV weapon that can reliably pull this off) I wouldn't be surprised to OHKO low tier tanks.
Let's just list the benefits and drawbacks of both.
Forge gun:
+ Longest ranged AV option
+ Has multiple useful variants
+ Highest alpha damage of all AV
+ Strong against infantry - there's a reason it's been used as a sniper replacement in the past (and been nerfed for it)
+ Most accurate AV option - can reliably hit weakpoints
+ Fastest projectile of all AV
- Charge time
- Lowered mobility whilst charging
- Has to be on a heavy suit (? Does this count as a real combat drawback?)
Swarm launcher:
+ Tracking
+ Doesn't need to be used on a heavy suit
- Short range
- Travel time
- Completely unable to defend against infantry, rendering a sidearm mandatory
- Unreliable on ground targets (e.g. frequently running into walls)
- Lock-on time (less than forge gun's charge up time though)
- Cannot be pre-charged (unlike the forge gun)
There're probably a couple of points you can scrounge elsewhere, but I don't really think that lineup favours the swarms.
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:30:00 -
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Jakkal Shoobah wrote:
Its easy to watch ANy pilot die to two well Cooardinated Av attacks. You shouldn't expect to rek the ds as fast as infantry just because you have a missle launcher on your suit. Its quite ridiculous really.
Why the devil not?
Does being a vehicle user somehow make an individual player somehow more of a person than an infantry player?
'As fast as' an infantry player, sure, that's over the top. But requiring two co-ordinated players to kill one individual is fundamentally unbalanced.
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:43:00 -
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Balistyc Farshot wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Point and shoot is easy, man. Forges are basically AV sniper rifles. Sorry, I had my mouth full of sour patch kids. Yeah, you sir have never used a Forge Gun for 5h1t! Leave FGs out of this conversation. Sentinels are the most abused suit out there! So leave those who use them alone. Being slow, scanned, and unable to do more than crawl while the FG is charged makes killing things with it a huge pain. If you still see forge snipers, they are trolling. It is so much harder than it used to be with accurate RRs, SCRs, and officer snipers in the hands of the elite snipers (I respect those guys because I hate them.) Next time one gets you, just send him some tasty tears in an email because he earned them. Also Sentinels have bonuses that don't do squat for the new mobility rules playstyle.
Your objection begins with "You have obviously never used a forge" but your entire objection to Soraya's statement is based around the disadvantages of the sentinel suit in general and not the forge gun. While I appreciate that yes, those are relevant to forge gun usage, using a forge gun is literally point and shoot. As a weapon, they are very easy to use. You don't have to worry about arc, travel time is negligible, and if you have a clear line to the target you don't need to worry about other obstacles that, say, swarms might get caught on.
I appreciate that there are difficulties associated with the other parts of using the weapon, but when it comes down to it the shooting operation is charge, point, shoot. The mobility penalties aren't actually that bad on account of the sorta hilarious jumpglitching you can do to strafe.
But honestly, forge guns aren't actually the focal point of this disagreement. It's just swarms. I don't think anyone is calling for forge guns to be nerfed here, so let's not panic about that. They're more being used as a comparison.
Is the swarm nerf significant? Is it necessary? Are swarms in a place that seems reasonable to both the AV user and the vehicle user at the moment? Will they be after the nerf?
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Posted - 2015.09.24 23:56:00 -
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I must confess that I quickly lose sympathy when I hear ADS pilots complaining that their KDR is lower than 50 when they run ADS.
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Posted - 2015.09.25 00:03:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I must confess that I quickly lose sympathy when I hear ADS pilots complaining that their KDR is lower than 50 when they run ADS. Where did any pilot say that?
Judge did. 
Perhaps that wasn't quite the same, but when I hear people saying that yes, they are worth more as individual players than groups alarm bells start ringing.
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