DUST Search - Eliminating Redundant Assets: Power Core Slot

True Adamance wrote:

Avallo Kantor wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff:

Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier?

With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently.

One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier.

The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc)

Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object')

That +x, -y seems a little needlessly complex. The second option with four static values depending on what dropsuit the module is equipped to sounds simpler to me and perhaps more simple to iterate on in future.

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One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10009	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:34:00 - [31] - Quote Good work! Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Avallo Kantor 649	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:44:00 - [32] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Amazing expansion of the core concept. Very well written, and you were able to give the idea far more life than I would have been able to do. Thank you.
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3051	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:47:00 - [33] - Quote My God, this is brilliant. Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6591	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:50:00 - [34] - Quote Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? Some details can be ignored
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 583	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:51:00 - [35] - Quote I like this idea, it would mean instead of having tons of different dropsuits we'd have tons of power cores, but modules probably take less memory than a whole suit.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:57:00 - [36] - Quote My Amarr Suit still better damn be Black for Proto or I'll hunt you down.
Avallo Kantor 650	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:59:00 - [37] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently. One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier. The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc) Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object')
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:00:00 - [38] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently. One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier. The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc) Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object') Remember. Black suits. Or else
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19036	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:03:00 - [39] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently. One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier. The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc) Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object') That +x, -y seems a little needlessly complex. The second option with four static values depending on what dropsuit the module is equipped to sounds simpler to me and perhaps more simple to iterate on in future. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Avallo Kantor 651	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:06:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently. One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier. The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc) Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object') That +x, -y seems a little needlessly complex. The second option with four static values depending on what dropsuit the module is equipped to sounds simpler to me and perhaps more simple to iterate on in future. Well speaking programmatically, without knowing their code base, both options may be just as easy code wise. (not necessarily human wise) Multiplication of base values is rather simple math, and is a value that can be 'racially consistent', also making it easier to see the racial flair as a flat % increase / decrease. Still that's just a spit-balled idea to reduce the number of cores, the key concept is still reducing the number of dropsuits.

Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10214	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:07:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Mind Blown. I am going to spreadsheet some stuff. HOLY CHRIST HE FINALLY GOT IT, GUYS - HIS SIGNATURE IS NO JOKE Nah but for real dude we've been trying to illustrate this to CCP for a long time now and I'm ecstatic that we might finally get tieracide -as well as- a potential performance boost. Like, the plausibility that this could be the golden change to make Dust 514 what it was always supposed to be is making my heart race right now; I'm so excited. It's so much of a win/win it's like freaggin strawberry covered cheesecake and I'm fat so that similarity works. I'll be -SOOOO PROUD- when Dust 514 manages something like this. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 221	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:08:00 - [42] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Give the Nobel and a beer to this men !!!! -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 509	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:15:00 - [43] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. My only question is, do we really even need basic suits? In my opinion, get rid of them.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19544	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:24:00 - [44] - Quote Finally making progress. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Alena Ventrallis Commando Perkone Caldari State 3051	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:27:00 - [45] - Quote Could this mean... A fix for lag? Maybe even... 20v20? Whirly gun make much thunder! - Victor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19036	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:27:00 - [46] - Quote Considering you are probably rapidly tapping away at your keyboard, giving your computer and the data you are madly processing a 'Viking Death Stare' icy enough to sink the Titanic, if this proves to be a very real possibility for the reduction of dropsuit assets in game would you consider adopting something like this for vehicles? By this I refer to removing any redundant hulls and allowing us to assign specific tiers of power cores, basic through to prototype like infantry, or if you were willing to take that a step further role Power Cores [e.g- Marauder Power Cores, Logistics Power Cores, Recon Power Cores]. It also might make it easier for you to adjust aspects of their design in a more straight forward manner in future. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3990	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:30:00 - [47] - Quote So we get Tieracide and more space. I like it. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:37:00 - [48] - Quote Black Suits across the board ! Or your head in front of My ScR !!
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 258	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:38:00 - [49] - Quote Fantastic thinking! CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:41:00 - [50] - Quote Wait I have a thought ! What if when you change your Power Module you change the skin of the Dropsuits ? Like incorporating the default skins into the Module ? That way I get my Black Proto suits !

Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 268	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:54:00 - [51] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Black Suits across the board ! Or your head in front of My ScR !! You and your damn black suits. Must have made AT LEAST 4 posts about it. Haha. Idea for player driven marketing and videos Link

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22593	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:54:00 - [52] - Quote black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 268	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:56:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. You gave him the satisfaction of a response... He'll never stop now. Next it will be "Your head in front of my Laser Rifle!" Or, "Your head in front of my Scrambler Lance!" Wait... scratch that last one... Idea for player driven marketing and videos Link
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 74	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:56:00 - [54] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: Black Suits across the board ! Or your head in front of My ScR !! You and your damn black suits. Must have made AT LEAST 4 posts about it. Haha. There would be no use running Proto or playing the game if I don't get my Black Amarr Suits it strikes fear in the eyes of my enemies ! And you can't see me on dark maps lol.
Apocalyptic Destroyerr Shining Flame Amarr Empire 74	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:57:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. Knowing you'll try to incorporate the Modules and default black skin. I'm happy. I won't say another word. =ƒÿä
Avallo Kantor 655	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:58:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. Wouldn't it be easier to add the black skins as SKIN modules?
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9904	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:58:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. If you can somehow make this possible I will personally stage an uprising (no pun intended) and make you the new Emperor of the Amarr. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 270	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:00:00 - [58] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. Wouldn't it be easier to add the black skins as SKIN modules? Perhaps what he means is once you have achieved the skills to unlock proto; that particular SKIN module would be unlocked for you. Idea for player driven marketing and videos Link
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19039	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:00:00 - [59] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. If you can somehow make this possible I will personally stage an uprising (no pun intended) and make you the new Emperor of the Amarr. I'll join but only if you let me have Jamyl afterwards....... so many nights I've fantasised about reversing the "Master-Servant" play...... "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1441	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:00:00 - [60] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. If you can somehow make this possible I will personally stage an uprising (no pun intended) and make you the new Emperor of the Amarr. Only if he swims first. Today's special: PAIN Comes with a side of salads and mash potatoes.



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