DUST Search - Eliminating Redundant Assets: Power Core Slot

Aero Yassavi wrote:

kiarbanor wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

Awesome idea, but if I have a BPO suit and add a prototype core, wouldn't it be a cheaper BPO since it's a proto fit minus the cost of a STD suit? 3 ISK may seem like nothing, but it adds up eventually.

Other than that, it really is a grand idea. +1

Maybe make it so that with any BPO suit you can't change out the core; it's automatically fitted with a militia or standard BPO core.

But this makes me think of other BPOs. What about Apex suits? How do you justify buying (or already having purchased) an Apex when you can simply get a Quafe standard suit that will have the same slot layout and the same type of core? I won't spend all that AUR--or time in FW--just to get BPO modules that can't be used on any other suit.

Also, what about Frontline suits? Will they essentially be a standard BPO with a standard or militia core? And won't that deter anyone from buying a handful of standard BPO suits?

Just some thoughts that popped up in my head as I digested this great idea.

I'm thinking perhaps all suits are cheap one time purchase BPOs and we delegate the regular cost to the power cores. For your BPOs you'd get a BPO power core in exchange. APEX power cores could perhaps fill in the slots with free gear as well that you could swap out. Good point with starter fits though.


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kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 508	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:19:00 - [1] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. I like this idea.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 509	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:15:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. My only question is, do we really even need basic suits? In my opinion, get rid of them.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 513	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:03:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Awesome idea, but if I have a BPO suit and add a prototype core, wouldn't it be a cheaper BPO since it's a proto fit minus the cost of a STD suit? 3 ISK may seem like nothing, but it adds up eventually. Other than that, it really is a grand idea. +1 Maybe make it so that with any BPO suit you can't change out the core; it's automatically fitted with a militia or standard BPO core. But this makes me think of other BPOs. What about Apex suits? How do you justify buying (or already having purchased) an Apex when you can simply get a Quafe standard suit that will have the same slot layout and the same type of core? I won't spend all that AUR--or time in FW--just to get BPO modules that can't be used on any other suit. Also, what about Frontline suits? Will they essentially be a standard BPO with a standard or militia core? And won't that deter anyone from buying a handful of standard BPO suits? Just some thoughts that popped up in my head as I digested this great idea.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 514	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:40:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Joel II X wrote: Awesome idea, but if I have a BPO suit and add a prototype core, wouldn't it be a cheaper BPO since it's a proto fit minus the cost of a STD suit? 3 ISK may seem like nothing, but it adds up eventually. Other than that, it really is a grand idea. +1 Maybe make it so that with any BPO suit you can't change out the core; it's automatically fitted with a militia or standard BPO core. But this makes me think of other BPOs. What about Apex suits? How do you justify buying (or already having purchased) an Apex when you can simply get a Quafe standard suit that will have the same slot layout and the same type of core? I won't spend all that AUR--or time in FW--just to get BPO modules that can't be used on any other suit. Also, what about Frontline suits? Will they essentially be a standard BPO with a standard or militia core? And won't that deter anyone from buying a handful of standard BPO suits? Just some thoughts that popped up in my head as I digested this great idea. I'm thinking perhaps all suits are cheap one time purchase BPOs and we delegate the regular cost to the power cores. For your BPOs you'd get a BPO power core in exchange. APEX power cores could perhaps fill in the slots with free gear as well that you could swap out. Good point with starter fits though. Yeah, my initial thought is that the only way this will work with BPOs is if you make them "better" than they were before, or else you're going to get a major outcry from the playerbase. The standard BPOs would be better with this core idea since you're gaining extra slots. The ones I would worry about are Apex. Even Frontline isn't a huge concern since there is no money or time exchanged for those. But if Apex isn't figured out correctly and properly thought through--knowing full well CCP will most likely never refund money--then there is a chance that people will get very, very upset. Would it be too much to give Apex an advanced BPO core on top of having the BPO modules that can't be used on other suits? Would that be too much? I mean, in essence, you're only adding the cost of a current advanced suit, which isn't that much ISK. It will be able to fit more proto/advanced modules and weapons, but--then again--the user is taking on the risk of losing ISK. I don't know, I would have to think it through some more.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 514	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:21:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. There must be a better way. Yeah, I can't think of one. I know the standard BPO modules that can't be put on any other suit will not be enough. So, there has to be something else I'm not thinking. As of right now with this idea, the only difference between a standard BPO and an Apex BPO are the standard BPO modules/weapons. Let's say you use standard non-BPO modules/weapons on a standard BPO. How much would that cost? Like 20k ISK? That's not enough to justify the time or money spent on Apex's.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 514	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:23:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. Seconded. APEX should have a standard core. Maybe you can think of something, Rip, but then how do you justify standard BPO suits with standard BPO cores against Apex BPO suits (with the same slots) with a standard BPO core? Again, the only thing you're gaining between the two are standard BPO mods/weapons that cost very little ISK, if you purchase them outright. Use that big brain of yours and come up with a solution.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 514	Posted - 2015.05.15 16:54:00 - [7] - Quote Rip, you would bring in the color scheme. And I'm not sure a little more CPU/PG will be that much of an incentive to buy Apex over standard BPO. What if Apex suits get two advanced mods/weapon BPOs. For Assaults, you get both weapons moved to advanced. But they're BPOs. You can't move them to another suit, just like the standard mods/weapons are now. For Logis, you get an advanced weapon and one advanced piece of equipment. As for the core, you only get the militia/standard BPO. So, with the advanced weapons or equipment BPOs on the suit, it will make it tougher to fit more stuff. However, you still have a pretty big incentive to buy them--in my humble opinion--because you get a couple advanced BPO pieces. That's just one thought that came to my mind as I was eating lunch.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 514	Posted - 2015.05.15 17:27:00 - [8] - Quote castba wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: kiarbanor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. There must be a better way. Yeah, I can't think of one. I know the standard BPO modules that can't be put on any other suit will not be enough. So, there has to be something else I'm not thinking. As of right now with this idea, the only difference between a standard BPO and an Apex BPO are the standard BPO modules/weapons. Let's say you use standard non-BPO modules/weapons on a standard BPO. How much would that cost? Like 20k ISK? That's not enough to justify the time or money spent on Apex's. The inherent problem here is APEX suits were designed without tiericide in mind, and by introducing tiericide is hard to fix APEX suits. This will be on my mind all day, I'd like to find a solution without scrapping them and giving refunds. The module and weapon loadout could still apply when selecting the Apex powercore, thus the advantage is still a shiney golden free fully kitted out suit. The problem, castba, is that people will not invest time in FW or money to buy an Apex suit that only gives you standard BPO modules. One of the main reasons people invested the time or money in Apex was because they have the slot configuration of a proto suit. With this new idea, a proto suit and a standard suit will have the same slot configuration. There needs to be a clearer distinguishing factor between Apex and standard BPO, other than standard pre-fitted weapons/mods. And Aero, I think you fix the Frontline issue by just biting the bullet and having those suits have a different slot configuration than their "real" counterparts. I still vote that we eliminate all basic suits. That will free up even more room.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 525	Posted - 2015.05.16 18:36:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Good idea Mobius. Additionally, Avallo and I did an interview with Shayz last night (45 minutes long, so he's probably hard at work killing filler) and one of the things we touched on is how overwhelming it could also be for a new player to see around 10 slots to fill on their first suit. Some improved tutorials on modules and such would probably be needed. I'm always for better--any--training. But do you really think new players will be any more confused than they are now? They get the Frontlines to show them basic ideas on how to fit suits. Again, training is great, but I don't see how this power core idea makes anything more or less complex. The thing to remember is that new players will have never known that there was a time in which standard suits had less slots and no power core.