DUST Search - Eliminating Redundant Assets: Power Core Slot

DeathwindRising wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it.

Currently we have 120 unique base suits.
5 roles
4 races
3 tiers
3 variants aurum and ISK and LP
Compounded together is 180.

The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early.

Now you have
5 roles
4 races
nothing else
Compounded is 20 unique suits

You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well.

Mind Blown.

I am going to spreadsheet some stuff.

dont forget to do it to the vehicles as well

EDIT: are there any other cases of multiple unique assets that we could cut down in a similar way? weapons for example?

how many weapons and variants are there total?


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19036	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:15:00 - [1] - Quote Aero.... random thought but doesn't this premise kind of complicate the role of BPO's in general since you could theoretically just stick the core of your choice in the BPO allowing you to field a dropsuit with the capacity of proto gear at a cheaper cost. I may well be missing something here. If that is the case would all suit BPOs be converted to SKINS of their respective Frame Size and Race? E.G- Suit Costs 25,000 ISK and Proto Core Costs 75,000 ISK BPO Costs 0 ISK and the Proto Core Costs 75,000 ISK You are still fielding a Prototype suit but bypassing a percentage of the costs to do so. Unlike what we have not where your BPO have their capabilities set to X tier and you build up from there. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19036	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:03:00 - [2] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Initially a good idea, but I want to double check some stuff: Generally, each race has its own unique CPU/PG ratio. How would that be affected without having to make a unique power core for every race/tier? With the current model, you'd need either to have racial dropsuit cores, or dropsuit cores would need to be able to affect suits differently. One idea to do the second method is either to have a unique ratio on the dropsuit such that for example an Amarr suit adds +x% PG while doing a -Y% CPU. That way each value is equally modified at each tier. The other idea to do the second method could be to have the suit have 4 different values that trigger based on suit type. (So an Assault Powercore would give value 1 for Amarr, 2 for Caldari, etc) Still, regardless of the number of powercores, the end result is that a module is far less memory in an active game than a dropsuit is, due to the way things have been programmed. (Since modules are basically only a flat value addition instead of having a 'object') That +x, -y seems a little needlessly complex. The second option with four static values depending on what dropsuit the module is equipped to sounds simpler to me and perhaps more simple to iterate on in future. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19036	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:27:00 - [3] - Quote Considering you are probably rapidly tapping away at your keyboard, giving your computer and the data you are madly processing a 'Viking Death Stare' icy enough to sink the Titanic, if this proves to be a very real possibility for the reduction of dropsuit assets in game would you consider adopting something like this for vehicles? By this I refer to removing any redundant hulls and allowing us to assign specific tiers of power cores, basic through to prototype like infantry, or if you were willing to take that a step further role Power Cores [e.g- Marauder Power Cores, Logistics Power Cores, Recon Power Cores]. It also might make it easier for you to adjust aspects of their design in a more straight forward manner in future. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19039	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. If you can somehow make this possible I will personally stage an uprising (no pun intended) and make you the new Emperor of the Amarr. I'll join but only if you let me have Jamyl afterwards....... so many nights I've fantasised about reversing the "Master-Servant" play...... "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19043	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:01:00 - [5] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Mind Blown. I am going to spreadsheet some stuff. dont forget to do it to the vehicles as well EDIT: are there any other cases of multiple unique assets that we could cut down in a similar way? weapons for example? how many weapons and variants are there total? Thinking about the ones off the top of my head Soma Madrugar G-1 Madrugar G/1 Madrugar Gk.0 Marduk G-1 Marduk G/1 Marduk Gk.0 Quafe Madrugar G-1 or G/1 Praetoriam Madrugar G/1 A-102 Madrugar Creodron Breach HAV Sica Gunnlogi C-1 Gunnlogi C/1 Gunnlogi Ck.0 Gladius C-1 Gladius C/1 Gladius Ck.0 Quafe Gunnlogi C-1 H-130 Gunnlogi Kalakiotaa Tactical HAV That's only talking HAV not including an DS or LAV. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19052	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:26:00 - [6] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Bishop Harcourt wrote: God damn Aero and Avallo, this is the most genius like farm in all my time in Dust. I honestly vote that we somehow be able to like this more that once. It is such a simple and AMAZING solution that even having first read it about 10 minutes ago I am still a bit dumbfounded by how great it is. I nominate this for thread of the year and automatic CPM status. There an easy solution to getting multiple likes per idea Go through every one of his posts since the start of his time on the forums..... What are you guys still doing here? Go! LIKE HIS POSTS! "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`