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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9841	Posted - 2015.05.14 17:43:00 - [1] - Quote Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 120 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9841	Posted - 2015.05.14 17:45:00 - [2] - Quote Droopy Bawlz wrote: What about LP variants? Added. And doh! Meant to put this in features and ideas. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9845	Posted - 2015.05.14 17:53:00 - [3] - Quote Isa Lucifer wrote: I like the idea. More memory space, more room for content. Not only that but it makes fitting screens and asset management much more user friendly Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9904	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:58:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: black protoskins could be unlockable with the powercores, IF this even possible. There are some complexities, but let me crunch more. If you can somehow make this possible I will personally stage an uprising (no pun intended) and make you the new Emperor of the Amarr. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9909	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:00:00 - [5] - Quote Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9909	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:13:00 - [6] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: How would Officer suits work due to their unique style? Assuming power cores can only change CPU and PG, not slots, there will likely still need to be offer suits opposed to officer power cores. Not a big deal add those are relatively few and we're still wiping a ton of redundant suits. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9909	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:16:00 - [7] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Robert Conway wrote: How would Officer suits work due to their unique style? Officer dropsuits have unique slot configurations. Powercores (as proposed) do not have the ability to modify slot layout. As such, Officer Dropsuits would still be separate. Powercores, as currently described, only enhance PG/CPU layout, which in combination with a 'teiricide' effort would effectively reduce the number of dropsuits from 120 down to a handful. 180 actually as I forgot loyalty suits, and reduce it all the way down to 20. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9923	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:23:00 - [8] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Bishop Harcourt wrote: God damn Aero and Avallo, this is the most genius like farm in all my time in Dust. I honestly vote that we somehow be able to like this more that once. It is such a simple and AMAZING solution that even having first read it about 10 minutes ago I am still a bit dumbfounded by how great it is. I nominate this for thread of the year and automatic CPM status. There an easy solution to getting multiple likes per idea Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9923	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:27:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Bishop Harcourt wrote: God damn Aero and Avallo, this is the most genius like farm in all my time in Dust. I honestly vote that we somehow be able to like this more that once. It is such a simple and AMAZING solution that even having first read it about 10 minutes ago I am still a bit dumbfounded by how great it is. I nominate this for thread of the year and automatic CPM status. There an easy solution to getting multiple likes per idea Go through every one of his posts since the start of his time on the forums..... What are you guys still doing here? Go! LIKE HIS POSTS! I can once again pass up True in likes! Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9924	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:33:00 - [10] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Bishop Harcourt wrote: God damn Aero and Avallo, this is the most genius like farm in all my time in Dust. I honestly vote that we somehow be able to like this more that once. It is such a simple and AMAZING solution that even having first read it about 10 minutes ago I am still a bit dumbfounded by how great it is. I nominate this for thread of the year and automatic CPM status. There an easy solution to getting multiple likes per idea Yes. Make multiple alts and "Like" yourself. All of my "Likes" are from my alts. No one TRULY liked what I said. Just me. I like this Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9970	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote So as far as how this idea came into existence, as stated in the OP I'm not the original creator of this idea but only the guy who saw it and was taken back by the ingenious nature and couldn't let it sit buried in a different thread. However, I don't think anyone could of really thought this up until CCP proved to us they could add new unique fitting slots like the SKIN slot. That definitely opened the realm of possibility Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9970	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:26:00 - [12] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Joel II X wrote: Awesome idea, but if I have a BPO suit and add a prototype core, wouldn't it be a cheaper BPO since it's a proto fit minus the cost of a STD suit? 3 ISK may seem like nothing, but it adds up eventually. Other than that, it really is a grand idea. +1 Maybe make it so that with any BPO suit you can't change out the core; it's automatically fitted with a militia or standard BPO core. But this makes me think of other BPOs. What about Apex suits? How do you justify buying (or already having purchased) an Apex when you can simply get a Quafe standard suit that will have the same slot layout and the same type of core? I won't spend all that AUR--or time in FW--just to get BPO modules that can't be used on any other suit. Also, what about Frontline suits? Will they essentially be a standard BPO with a standard or militia core? And won't that deter anyone from buying a handful of standard BPO suits? Just some thoughts that popped up in my head as I digested this great idea. I'm thinking perhaps all suits are cheap one time purchase BPOs and we delegate the regular cost to the power cores. For your BPOs you'd get a BPO power core in exchange. APEX power cores could perhaps fill in the slots with free gear as well that you could swap out. Good point with starter fits though. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9976	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:03:00 - [13] - Quote I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. There must be a better way. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9980	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:32:00 - [14] - Quote kiarbanor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm going to flat out say no the APEX being advanced cores. There must be a better way. Yeah, I can't think of one. I know the standard BPO modules that can't be put on any other suit will not be enough. So, there has to be something else I'm not thinking. As of right now with this idea, the only difference between a standard BPO and an Apex BPO are the standard BPO modules/weapons. Let's say you use standard non-BPO modules/weapons on a standard BPO. How much would that cost? Like 20k ISK? That's not enough to justify the time or money spent on Apex's. The inherent problem here is APEX suits were designed without tiericide in mind, and by introducing tiericide is hard to fix APEX suits. This will be on my mind all day, I'd like to find a solution without scrapping them and giving refunds. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9980	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:33:00 - [15] - Quote Gregor stormwalker wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Dragonet Minamoto wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: Robert Conway wrote: How would Officer suits work due to their unique style? Officer dropsuits have unique slot configurations. Powercores (as proposed) do not have the ability to modify slot layout. As such, Officer Dropsuits would still be separate. Powercores, as currently described, only enhance PG/CPU layout, which in combination with a 'teiricide' effort would effectively reduce the number of dropsuits from 120 down to a handful. Brilliant idea. But why couldn't certain power cores not also unlock slots. I mean the dropsuit could already have all slots coded into, but they are "offline" until powered up by a certain power core. So a prototype power core gives + x power grid, + x CPU and power, +1 additional high slot etc. You could easily argue that with lower power cores, the suit can't handle all slots filled. Sounds viable to me without complicating the whole approach too much. But even the original idea would be much better than what we have now! Because getting rid of slot progression is the point To my mind the brilliance of this idea is in the memory saving by off loading the PG/CPU to a module their is little reason why slot layout can not also be off loaded, In fact if you do not how do you give a logie more equipment slots than an assault with out having 2 suits of the same size with different slot layouts. also a better name than "powercores" would be "sub-system" so you choose/skill into your base suit then equip/skill a sub system for that suit (Gallente assault sub system). I like sub systems. Also clears up any confusion between power core and power grid. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10026	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:20:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: 100 likes? Holy **** guys Aero, would you be interested in doing a questionnaire style video about this in order to talk with a little more detail about it, and possibly give your thoughts about the main advantages and disadvantages of a system like this? Absolutely. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10027	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:32:00 - [17] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: 100 likes? Holy **** guys Aero, would you be interested in doing a questionnaire style video about this in order to talk with a little more detail about it, and possibly give your thoughts about the main advantages and disadvantages of a system like this? Absolutely. Just a tiny bit jealous of all the likes. I'll get my posse to like all your posts. And of course while I'm very interested in voicing my opinion on the matter in a public video, you definitely deserve the bulk of the credit or rather all of it. I wouldn't do said questionnaire if you weren't allowed in. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10027	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:36:00 - [18] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Where are people getting the idea that Aero's post suggested all suits become BPOs? I don't see that anywhere in there. To be fair it was not stated in the initial idea, although it was suggested elsewhere, and I think it's a fairly strong idea. The original idea was that the suit would be a standard or militia based suit, that then had a powercore slot, with the power cores costing the difference between what a Adv / proto suit costs now, and the cost of the standard / militia frame. However if 100% of the cost was offloaded onto the power core (which isn't that much of a difference) then we could easily make the dropsuit itself a BPO. The main reason I like this is that it makes it just a bit easier to worry about restocks, since it's one less thing to worry about restocking, without reducing any of the economy / important features of buying a suit. I personally think it's a great addition to the concept of powercores. BPO suits would also solve the issue of basic aurum cores. By that I mean the sit would require no skills but not function without a core. Then the aurum standard core could require no skills to keep everything the same, and then regular ISK core that requires level 1. This would also mean current BPO's would turn into BPO SKIN mod and BPO core mod. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10028	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:54:00 - [19] - Quote Lore wise I think they'd be better as militia suits that you must pay for with ISK. Just makes more sense from a RP perspective. Also just a thought, what if we called these "Rigs" to keep with EVE terminology? I mean sure they don't quite function like RIG mods do in EVE, but at least it'll be a familiar term and given how quickly we go through dropsuits compared to ships I doubt well ever get Rigs in the EVE sense. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10028	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:01:00 - [20] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Where are people getting the idea that Aero's post suggested all suits become BPOs? I don't see that anywhere in there. To be fair it was not stated in the initial idea, although it was suggested elsewhere, and I think it's a fairly strong idea. The original idea was that the suit would be a standard or militia based suit, that then had a powercore slot, with the power cores costing the difference between what a Adv / proto suit costs now, and the cost of the standard / militia frame. However if 100% of the cost was offloaded onto the power core (which isn't that much of a difference) then we could easily make the dropsuit itself a BPO. The main reason I like this is that it makes it just a bit easier to worry about restocks, since it's one less thing to worry about restocking, without reducing any of the economy / important features of buying a suit. I personally think it's a great addition to the concept of powercores. BPO suits would also solve the issue of basic aurum cores. By that I mean the sit would require no skills but not function without a core. Then the aurum standard core could require no skills to keep everything the same, and then regular ISK core that requires level 1. This would also mean current BPO's would turn into BPO SKIN mod and BPO core mod. Eh, I guess I see where you're coming from, but I still prefer the initial idea of just adding the Core in and offloading part of the suit cost off onto it. Replacing every suit you lose is a pretty core mechanic that most players get used to pretty quickly, and also makes more sense from an immersion standpoint which is nice because you don't often get to match the two in terms of game design. I mean replacing suits and replacing equivalent functioning and costing cores is essentially the same thing. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10028	Posted - 2015.05.16 04:04:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: If I can get both Aero and Avallo that would be best. My personal chat channel is "Dusting Around", but if you have a better channel I can find you both in let me know. So your plan is to record in game audio chat for a video? I'm down for that and could even be available now if PSN was working. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10035	Posted - 2015.05.16 06:24:00 - [22] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I'll be on until downtime tonight. Just got off work. Im free for the next few days, whatever works better for you. It's just that for some reason, ideas get implemented, or at least seem more realistic, when there is more sources and various media out there covering them. The sprint glitch, and sidearm damage dropoff ranges were both addressed after I made videos about them, for example. I'm in that Dusting Around channel Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10040	Posted - 2015.05.16 09:29:00 - [23] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Taking an idea from Avallo Kantor and expanding it. Currently we have 180 unique base suits. 5 roles 4 races 3 tiers 3 variants aurum and ISK and LP Compounded together is 180. The SKIN system looks to eliminate redundant assets of BPO's, but let's take it a step further. Give all suits the slot layout of their prototype, then add a power core slot similar to the SKIN slot. The power core would add the tier appropriate CPU and PG. Suits would cost the same as standard, and then power cores will cost the equivalent difference in tier costs. There will also be aurum cores and LP cores unlocked early. Now you have 5 roles 4 races nothing else Compounded is 20 unique suits You just shaved off 160 suits from the memory cap. Even more if you do this to basic suits as well. Aero when did we say you are allowed have good ideas? Good idea tho, +1 WipEout Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10050	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:28:00 - [24] - Quote Good idea Mobius. Additionally, Avallo and I did an interview with Shayz last night (45 minutes long, so he's probably hard at work killing filler) and one of the things we touched on is how overwhelming it could also be for a new player to see around 10 slots to fill on their first suit. Some improved tutorials on modules and such would probably be needed. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10051	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:48:00 - [25] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: so, will i have to respec into new skills? I see no reason why your Dropsuit skills can't convert to power core skills. And I don't think they'll be called power cores, I'm just calling them that for now. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10052	Posted - 2015.05.16 17:06:00 - [26] - Quote Robert Conway wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: so, will i have to respec into new skills? I see no reason why your Dropsuit skills can't convert to power core skills. And I don't think they'll be called power cores, I'm just calling them that for now. Did you read my idea for a name change? You probably don't like it though, if you did. Not sure which one was yours but I read every post in here and liked all the name change proposals. It's just I mainly do this from my phone which is outdated and thus don't comment on everything. I'm sort of waiting for Rattati to come back with good news before going knee deep in naming discussion. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10102	Posted - 2015.05.17 13:29:00 - [27] - Quote So I'll comment on two reoccurring points: Making dropsuits BPOs. I'm not sure what people's issues are. You'll be paying the exact same price per fit by simply allocating all the dropsuit price to the core price. It's simple and turns two transactions into one. If your concern is lore, explain to me why we never had to purchase the clones that go in our dropsuits? Regarding progression creep, it is absolutely intentional to make standard and advanced better while keeping prototype the same. Currently progression is quadratic in that you get multiple upgrades each tier - more slots and more fitting space to fit better mods to fill these slots. The goal here is to make progression linear, only one benefit as you upgrade - more fitting space. Now sure you can withhold slots to fit some better gear a tier above, but it will never be as good as a proper next tier fit. And sure with maxed fitting skills you could probably fit some next tier items, which is fine but it'll have to be carefully managed as like anything else. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10108	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:11:00 - [28] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: So I'll comment on two reoccurring points: Making dropsuits BPOs. I'm not sure what people's issues are. You'll be paying the exact same price per fit by simply allocating all the dropsuit price to the core price. It's simple and turns two transactions into one. If your concern is lore, explain to me why we never had to purchase the clones that go in our dropsuits? The companies we fight for pay for them... So extend it if you must, company pays for the suit we brings the core and mods. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10108	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:15:00 - [29] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: So I'll comment on two reoccurring points: Making dropsuits BPOs. I'm not sure what people's issues are. You'll be paying the exact same price per fit by simply allocating all the dropsuit price to the core price. It's simple and turns two transactions into one. If your concern is lore, explain to me why we never had to purchase the clones that go in our dropsuits? Regarding progression creep, it is absolutely intentional to make standard and advanced better while keeping prototype the same. Currently progression is quadratic in that you get multiple upgrades each tier - more slots and more fitting space to fit better mods to fill these slots. The goal here is to make progression linear, only one benefit as you upgrade - more fitting space. Now sure you can withhold slots to fit some better gear a tier above, but it will never be as good as a proper next tier fit. And sure with maxed fitting skills you could probably fit some next tier items, which is fine but it'll have to be carefully managed as like anything else. Thanks for the explanation on progression creep, the fact that it's an intended outcome for you means you and others got it covered :) I guess what this means is we're doing this in addition to the original reason of cutting down on instantiated objects during battle on the PS3 platform. Fine by me...is this the proper definition of tiericide of which everyone speaks? More or less, yes. The powercore idea only cuts down on suits due to tiericide because tiericide causes each tier to be the same except for PG/CPU. Then with powercores the number of unique suits drops substantially. Avallo I swear . . . get out of my head. This is exactly what I was going to reply with. The power core slot only works because of tiericide, which many wanted already anyways. The doesn't appear to be a way to change slot layout without creating a new suit. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10108	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:19:00 - [30] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: It honestly just comes down to how much eve can we fit into DUST.. Don't get me wrong your power core idea is awesome and I want it but making dropsuits bpo's is a red flag its kinda like buying a engine without the actually car both have to be together to actually work. I fail to see how is a red flag when literally nothing changes. Making the core the price of current suits is the same exact thing as making all suits cost militia prices and cores the difference in price between each tier and militia. The suit does not function without the core. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10109	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:21:00 - [31] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: The New Eden elements of loss and destruction are preserved by offloading the ISK cost to the power core. Why people would want to force bad design like doubling the restocking work of a power core and a suit is beyond me. If it really really bothers people then just have suits have the cost of a militia frame and then deduct that cost from the current basic, advance, and proto suits to get your power core cost. It still seems a bit ridiculous if the exact economic costs are maintained that you would want to add another layer. This is what I'm screaming. The whole point is to reduce redundancy, so why add redundancy of a separate transaction and asset management by retaining a cost on the suit itself? But whatever, if that's what people want I guess I don't care, it doesn't change anything and shouldn't have much impact on performance. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10111	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:30:00 - [32] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: It honestly just comes down to how much eve can we fit into DUST.. Don't get me wrong your power core idea is awesome and I want it but making dropsuits bpo's is a red flag its kinda like buying a engine without the actually car both have to be together to actually work. I fail to see how is a red flag when literally nothing changes. Making the core the price of current suits is the same exact thing as making all suits cost militia prices and cores the difference in price between each tier and militia. The suit does not function without the core. Fine, function over form, make everything bpo's, take new eden trash it and call CCP Z because he's a mad genius. I'm still confused. Let me get this clear, you realize this changes nothing about fitting cost and you are still upset? This is still new eden where if you die you lose something of value, but you're still upset? And this not even remotely comparible to Z's idea. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10114	Posted - 2015.05.17 16:41:00 - [33] - Quote Fair enough. But then how do you explain current BPOs and how all our inventory travels with us so rapidly across the cluster? I like to imagine when we deploy to battle we transfer our consciences to a clone already at the destination planet, and rather than buying physical items from the market we are buying licenses of use that get cashed in as we take the item from the stockpile at each battle site. BPOs are then an infinite license of use. May not be official canon but it's the only way that makes sense to me. Either way the end result is the same so I don't care THAT much. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10123	Posted - 2015.05.17 17:22:00 - [34] - Quote ^but given how many suits were removing, it's OK to have a handful of office suits still and we could also perhaps add more unique slot layouts in like a type 1 and type 2 logi. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10127	Posted - 2015.05.17 17:38:00 - [35] - Quote Hey Avallo, remember half jokingly discussing getting Officer suits named after us for this? How about officer power cores instead? Seems more fitting (no pun intended) Yassavi's AER-0 Modified Scout ak.0 Power Core Same slot layout since it's an officer core not suit Increased CPU/PG and improved base EWAR stats And something for you, of course. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10139	Posted - 2015.05.17 19:46:00 - [36] - Quote To add onto that, this is based of the revelation that CCP revealed to us that each sit counts as a unique object even if it's the same frame, taking up a lot of memory. However modules do not take up much memory, so we transition the suit progression to a near identical module progression. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10139	Posted - 2015.05.17 19:57:00 - [37] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Question being does this help inventory system or the actual game engine while playing? Because aren't we just going to reuse all the same models we already have in the game. Most of them are just reskins right? Problem is for whatever silly reason Old CCP designed this game such that say an Assault C-1, Neo Assault C-1, and Assault C/1-Series all are viewed by the game as a unique object despite having the exact same character model. So yes, reducing the number of suits and replacing them by mods will definitely help. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10145	Posted - 2015.05.17 23:26:00 - [38] - Quote Interesting thought, power cores should be able to affect other stats as well besides just fitting space. Also the role skill would apply to the core not the suit (or at least should). This would open the door to class variation (Type 1 Type 2) as well as perhaps sub classes or such (Pirate power cores with the correctly themed pirate skill bonuses for instance). Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10149	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:16:00 - [39] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Interesting thought, power cores should be able to affect other stats as well besides just fitting space. Also the role skill would apply to the core not the suit (or at least should). This would open the door to class variation (Type 1 Type 2) as well as perhaps sub classes or such (Pirate power cores with the correctly themed pirate skill bonuses for instance). One step at a time. I know all the cliches, but I wasn't to dream. As long as the developers are focused. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10153	Posted - 2015.05.18 02:15:00 - [40] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Interesting thought, power cores should be able to affect other stats as well besides just fitting space. Also the role skill would apply to the core not the suit (or at least should). This would open the door to class variation (Type 1 Type 2) as well as perhaps sub classes or such (Pirate power cores with the correctly themed pirate skill bonuses for instance). One step at a time. I know all the cliches, but I wasn't to dream. As long as the developers are focused. Emphasis on just "Focused" instead "Laser Focused". ha! I Knew it! btw, I didn't know Pretorian resigned from CCP Last year...he was the "Laser Focused" man, for those who didn't know. poor guy probably was in the dark like all of us. Sadly CCP execs couldn't man up and correct him even though it appears at that point the initial Legion idea was set. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10155	Posted - 2015.05.18 02:30:00 - [41] - Quote Viktor Skirov wrote: Both Mister Yassavi and Mister Kantor, do you mind if i take this topic to the Spanish forums? Kinda to open up discussion and check what kind of ideas are born in there. I'll post them here If, i get anything and don't get laughed at in the process, With your permission of course. Please and translate any interesting feedback here! Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10160	Posted - 2015.05.18 06:01:00 - [42] - Quote Oooh so we're sticked now, interesting Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 15:25:00 - [43] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: I think that the coolest part of this is that we're going to convince four mutually aggressive races to adopt this method of weapons development simultaneously and in perfect parallel. Not too outlandish when you consider the implant tech we all use now was gifted to all the factions by Empress Jamyl Sarum because the current route everyone else was on with reverse engineering led to many going "514" and the Amarr found it better to share their improved tech with everyone over that. Amarr shared once, Amarr can share again. P.S. Avallo and I are both Amarr supporters so the lore really should tie to the Amarr rather than pirates. Heck, why not do the literal sense and say Avallo and myself created this, we are characters in the lore after all. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:22:00 - [44] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: Also since I double posted I'll add that I completely agree with Aeros comment about us building them. Building them in our offshoot non military corporation AA Solutions Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 17:06:00 - [45] - Quote My problem with the auxiliary power core symbol from EVE is it had the power grid symbol as part of it which is furthering the reason I don't actually want this to be called a power core. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.18 19:02:00 - [46] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: I think that the coolest part of this is that we're going to convince four mutually aggressive races to adopt this method of weapons development simultaneously and in perfect parallel. Not too outlandish when you consider the implant tech we all use now was gifted to all the factions by Empress Jamyl Sarum because the current route everyone else was on with reverse engineering led to many going "514" and the Amarr found it better to share their improved tech with everyone over that. Amarr shared once, Amarr can share again. P.S. Avallo and I are both Amarr supporters so the lore really should tie to the Amarr rather than pirates. Heck, why not do the literal sense and say Avallo and myself created this, we are characters in the lore after all. Its was actually stolen by a pirate faction... Maybe the original tech that caused people to go 514,but the current tech we all use was actually gifted by Jamyl Sarum in crates. Can't link it since the link is Dust514.com, but go to media -> Fiction -> 514 and read Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:30:00 - [47] - Quote The thing is the number of modules don't really hit the performance that much, so we could add a whole bunch with little downside. It's the unique suits that are eating up the memory, and the best solution will be the most simplistic. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.20 18:10:00 - [48] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Is Aero a Dev alt? The world may never know . . . Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 03:27:00 - [49] - Quote The power core can definitely affect other attributes. Bandwidth isn't a known attribute to be affected by modules, but seems possible Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 19:03:00 - [50] - Quote Super excited! Still hoping for officer power cores for Avallo and myself Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 23:53:00 - [51] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Good idea! Don't know if it'll ever be a real thing, but at least you had a great likefarm thread^^ Certainly sounds like it's going to be a real thing Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.24 16:00:00 - [52] - Quote I did an interview with Shayz which had prepared questions and went pretty straight forward. Not sure if it was ever uploaded. I'd be down for more if anyone is still confused about this whole ordeal, preferably with a little bit more warming ahead of time. I think pretty much everyone understands the concept by now though. What would be more interesting is a topic discussing specific CPU and PG values for standard and advanced powercores. . . Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.24 19:00:00 - [53] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I did an interview with Shayz which had prepared questions and went pretty straight forward. Not sure if it was ever uploaded. I'd be down for more if anyone is still confused about this whole ordeal, preferably with a little bit more warming ahead of time. I think pretty much everyone understands the concept by now though. What would be more interesting is a topic discussing specific CPU and PG values for standard and advanced powercores. . . I'm convinced you're a Dev alt. The main fallacy here is none of the devs like the Amarr, outside of when we had Wolfman. Even with the Amarr's officer suit none of the devs wanted to put their name on it, and made it the clear worst officer. Unless that's all part of my master disguise! Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2016.01.16 08:53:00 - [54] - Quote I just want to say that I love all of you guys! Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11	Posted - 2016.02.10 20:38:00 - [55] - Quote I still love you all Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11	Posted - 2016.02.10 20:44:00 - [56] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I still love you all drunk? Is that the only way to win your love? Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control

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