I still don't understand why a DS pilot cannot operate a forward facing blaster turret? I don't fly DS, and my alt is a forge so this is coming from someone that enjoys blasting those things to pieces. The DS's out there now have less survivability than a paper airplane in hell. Why not give the pilot a fighting chance and blaster (like an SR) that is effective against infantry and even somewhat against vehicles?

You can't allow infantry to fire from them, with the height ceiling, the endless possibilities of loadouts (2 proto swarms, 2 proto turrets, and 2 proto repair tools) current AV weapon ranges and current flight speeds they would literally be a flying fortress. But why not give the pilot the ability to defend himself? I think an adv level rail gun would be pretty cool. It may actually give the rail gun a legitimate place in this game.

I don't think you understand how hard it would be to fire a MD or forge gun from a dropship. Sure, forge gunning and MDing is easy now, but you are on solid ground with complete control over how you are moving.

In a dropship you are constantly moving and tilting and rocking in directions you have no way of predicting. I don't know your experience with turrets in a DS but if you've ever tried firing a missile turret from a DS you'd know it is a challenge. The ship is constantly shifting and maneuvering unexpectedly, some times in minuet ways and sometimes in extreme ways, and you have to try to compensate for all of it on the fly. Also, turrets are built into the dropship with a view mode that is made for this type of combat and you have a passive zoom mode that puts you right at the end of the turret and a very good zoom feature built right in that helps you even further.

Something else you may not know about shooting from a DS you cannot shoot anything directly in front, behind or below it. Your rounds hit the ship. And as most of us who've flown DS's for a living before know, ANYTHING that hits the DS no matter what it is has an impact on your flight path. Missile turrets jar you sideways, blaster rounds slowly careen you sideways, forge guns hit you so hard your whole craft rocks like a ship in a hurricane, swarms (enemy only for obvious reasons) throw you to the side, AR rounds make you drift off course, MD rounds try to tip you over.... I can go on to cover them all, but I really don't want to. Point is, you have severe blind spots you cannot fire at when in a DS, especially if you were to be actually IN the DS and not hanging out of it in the turret mount (get a close look the next time you see a gunner in a DS turret, he's not all the way inside the hull).

On another side of things, even though a normal weapon typically has zoom just like the turrets, have you seen a MD in ADS view? It's terrible, utterly useless to most people who pick one up. It has a low zoom fidelity and the markings on it are a mess to try to use when trying to line up shots. Not to mention that MD's have an ungodly low ammo carry capacity, so they may spam for a couple clips, but then they either have to sit there and fire off their sidearm ammo too or head to a supply depot and restock. Mass drivers in a DS that is constantly on the move aren't going to be able to do much more than spam random area denial rounds at large groups from a DS unless that DS is flying very low and very stable. And if it is, it is the subject of every gun in the vicinity, everything from AR's to flaylocks to MD's to AV gear because there are people in there that can be shot out who cannot move unless either the DS moves away or they jump out. There is no strafing in a DS to avoid bullets. If the pilot can keep you safe, wonderful. If not.... then you can either jump out or take a death.

Have you seen a Forge Gun in ADS view? No you haven't, because there isn't one. Forge gun sniping is moderately challenging from a distance when you are able to fully control your stance on solid ground because, as we all know, under normal circumstances solid ground tends to feel.... relatively solid. Now picture a forge gunner trying desperately to take shots from a DS that is always adjusting it's pitch and yaw with no means of zooming whatsoever. Sure, the DS can hover. Which makes it a giant floating target in the sky that everyone can see and WILL shoot at with whatever they have on hand.

TL;DR: You.... really don't have any clue what you are talking about. Not to be offensive in any way, but you just really have no clue.

God no...The MD's need to be nerfed already, people are seriously abusing the EXO and freedom as it is.

Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example?

Sad thing Wolfman those would not be to bad. think of all 4 guys with forge guns. Sitting in a highly tanked armor dropship or a full speed tanked shield dropship pub stomping would be brought to a whole new lvl.

Only way I see this applicable is if the limitations to what weapons are allowed to be shot out of dropships. Otherwise we would see some broken things that end up destroying balance

@Baal you really do not know what your talking about. Rendering issues currently will allow dropships to disappear in the sky while having the range of a forge gun to rain death from thin air. Any decent forge gunner will have no trouble adjusting to the movement of a dropship. And using this to kill 4-16 people depending on how many forgers you have and then fly out quickly as they reload and rep up your HP. This would be very broken.

I was a very avid dropship pilot and I know this will break things.

Just think of alldin and cubs sitting in a derpship with there forges. Ya just **** all around.

Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example?

So you want the forge gun, supposedly firing at a muzzle velocity of 8000+ meters per sec, but fires more like a muzzle velocity of 300meters per sec, to fire at a muzzle velocity more akin to the plasma cannon? You might as well just ask them to remove the forge gun and give me a respec.

As a forge gunner, they've slowed our muzzle velocity, cut our range in half, and reduced our damage already. This seems like one of those "It killed me so it's OP." tear fests. If it wasn't for the fact that a dropship, and yes I fly them on occasion, can climb higher than forge range, and accelerate out of forge range pretty quickly, I'd agree with you.

Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example?

+1, it was mentioned in one of the feedback weekly updates, as being considered
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=633845#post633845

Combine it with an incoming in 1.5 option to remove turrets completely (and ammo limitation for them!) and you could make a sniper packed dropship squad ...or forge gunners

Idk why everyones trying to nerf forgegunners, dropships need a buff, and obviously plasma launchers need a nerf way to OP.

its time for justice. got 4500+ views, and approx. 350 comments, with only 1 blue tag? com'on

So you want the forge gun, supposedly firing at a muzzle velocity of 8000+ meters per sec, but fires more like a muzzle velocity of 300meters per sec, to fire at a muzzle velocity more akin to the plasma cannon? You might as well just ask them to remove the forge gun and give me a respec.

As a forge gunner, they've slowed our muzzle velocity, cut our range in half, and reduced our damage already. This seems like one of those "It killed me so it's OP." tear fests. If it wasn't for the fact that a dropship, and yes I fly them on occasion, can climb higher than forge range, and accelerate out of forge range pretty quickly, I'd agree with you.

As far as the velocity of the shots, maybe I'm wrong. But how often to you get 1 or two hit killed in a million dollar dropship. I pull nearly 3300 shields out of my python, but if you do the math I think anything above a 9k F.G. does that in two hits in just a few seconds. God forbid I try to engage infantry at low level for being paranoid of being torn down for a few kills. And btw I have been destroyed clear up at the ceiling of the map at full speed quite a few times. Maybe if they just fixed the recoil like you said and I'd be relieved, that way you F.G. folks can combat me still. It does have to be balanced after all. Till then I'll just have to settle on working with some nifty flying.

its time for justice. got 4500+ views, and approx. 350 comments, with only 1 blue tag? com'on

If you would actually take time to read people's posts, instead of showing your mastery of strike-throughs, you'd see this is a bad idea.

If you would actually read the one Dev post in this thread, you'd realize you are being trolled... BY CCP.

I'm glad that you have words and you want to share your words with all of the nice people, but just give it up.

Except it isn't a bad idea, CCP was planning on doing this anyway, and by putting the "worst case scenario" into his post, Wolfman was trying to see how much QQ he could muster in an effort to see whether the community would respond favorably or negatively to this road-mapped idea. You are the one, in fact, trolling the thread, whether you realise it, or not.

Yeah, everything on every roadmap is something that should happen, and CCP has never taken features out of EvE or Dust.

Click your heels three times, break a wishbone, throw a penny into a well of tears, do whatever you guys want for this fail feature.

But if it EVER gets implemented, I will be farming you all so hard that your sorry asses will be back on these forums begging for a nerf.

that doesn't mean anything because they are still weak enough to die in 2 hits. having it easier is much different then havin it easy :P

that doesn't mean anything because they are still weak enough to die in 2 hits. having it easier is much different then havin it easy :P

If you would actually take time to read people's posts, instead of showing your mastery of strike-throughs, you'd see this is a bad idea.

If you would actually read the one Dev post in this thread, you'd realize you are being trolled... BY CCP.

Ah. So you want it easy. Sorry. Dust isn't supposed to be easy. There's always supposed to be something that'll mess you up in short order. For vehicles it's AV. For AV it's everything on the field. LOL

If you want easy, play GTA 4 and use cheat codes.

Correction "Dust isn't supposed to be easy... unless your using an AR, then you can do whatever you want."

I stand corrected... and so do you. o7

If you read 90% of the 350+ comments like i have over the course of this thread you will realize his troll was countered by almost everyone. Most people want this to happen. People who fly dropships want this to happen and people who don't fly dropships want this to happen.

the only people scared of this are people like you who run assault and AR and dnt want to play tactically but just want to bumb rush every objective red line people and then complain about redline sniping.

every excuse about this being OP is baseless and has been proven so by the simple fact that:

AV vs dropships = dropship gone.

problem solved.

if you invested in AV there would be nothing to complain about. this is a great idea. Your just a scrub. I have 4800 views, 300+ positive comments and 600 likes to prove that bro