DUST Search - [request] allow passengers to shoot from dropship

Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

CCP Wolfman wrote:

Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example?

Thank you for saying this. Even though I think it would be really cool to be able to have my squad shooting out of the dropship while we come into a point, it would be massively overpowered and far too easily abused.

My friend and I had a discussion about this a while back. We came to the conclusion that if you were to implement this it would have to be sidearms only.
I must say now it would definitely be more trouble than its worth. I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship, trying to get kills with a pistol instead of jumping out over the point I'm hovering over for obvious reasons.
If you want to shoot your weapon you jump out when the pilot gives you a good place to jump out on, leave the dropship kills to the gunners and Assault dropship pilots, that's what they train for!

There is one problem with your argument:

Quote:

(...)I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship(...)

Infantry weapons have limited ammo. And as others said: pilot would have to hover midair (read: wait for shutdown motionlessly) to allow successful hits from said weapons. How long will ammo last if there is no place in DS to deploy hives? And how long will dropship last if it don't move?

And as of Uprising 1.5 patch (coming probably in four weeks) vehicles will get limited ammo as well.

Dropship cost ISK. Modules cost ISK. Infantry weapons cost ISK. Multiplied by number of mercs shooting. My guess is the combined cost of this combo shotdown will equall or exceed the cost of equipement destroyed by it in it's "life expectancy" window.

Show me now where is the lack of balance here?

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Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 100	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:35:00 - [211] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Please do this CCP!!!!!! I am really happy with 1.4 and I want something to look foreward too!!!!!! Really? Why is that? I haven't gone either way with it I'm just hearing mixed feelings about everything.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 483	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:01:00 - [212] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: TAnker: Oh dropship! im gonna bring it down! Drop ship lights up Tanker: What is that? Gunner 1: Im not sure, it seems like some kind of missiles maybe? Blind Tanker [Proto Swarm Launcher] Troll Passenger Parasite Gunners [Proto Swarm Launcher] Troll Passenger Parasite Gunners [Proto Swarm Launcher] Troll Passenger LEt the Dropship fight tanks so that infantry can focus on infantry. AH..i love this idea. This is exactly why any AV weapons or weapons with any kind of splash shouldn't be allowed. Plus, a better senario would be hovering DS's over a HAV who can't shoot it down.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 483	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:04:00 - [213] - Quote Plus, I'd like to point out something: What if Wolfman decides to buff DS's tank? then what? You still think that the apparent "flying coffins" would still be able to use the high-powered weapons inside?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 814	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:21:00 - [214] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Plus, I'd like to point out something: What if Wolfman decides to buff DS's tank? then what? You still think that the apparent "flying coffins" would still be able to use the high-powered weapons inside? yep, because, swarms and forguns can still kill them. dropships don't have enough ehp to tank that hard. and even if they did.. you can still shoot the gunners out with small arms and AV. for the gunners to be effective they need to be in your small arms range too.... i lost gunners like that. only snipers, would be immune to that rule... but a dropship hovering accross the map is an easy target for rail cannons and swarms and forguns. plus counter snipers
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2019	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:44:00 - [215] - Quote Simple, if you can get shot at, you can shoot out.
501st Headstrong Super Nerds 0	Posted - 2013.09.05 05:29:00 - [216] - Quote excillon wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? God no...The MD's need to be nerfed already, people are seriously abusing the EXO and freedom as it is. Agreed, can't take on these guys even with my heavy suit. I have to pray I kill them before they turn around and start blasting me.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 816	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:08:00 - [217] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: excillon wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? God no...The MD's need to be nerfed already, people are seriously abusing the EXO and freedom as it is. Agreed, can't take on these guys even with my heavy suit. I have to pray I kill them before they turn around and start blasting me. if your a real heavy you would know that getting outgunned by ARs is more of a problem than MD... especially since the glow orange now happy holloween b****es
Leovarian L Lavitz Better Academy. 667	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:14:00 - [218] - Quote If this is implemented, I only want vehicle flares implemented first. I used to drop-ship surf with a forge-gun heavy before, the inertia added to shots is a very powerful balancing factor that already exists.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 475	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:17:00 - [219] - Quote Calling CCP Wolfman, calling CCP Wolfman... Do you still follow this thread? Have your post was serious invite for discussion or just sarcasm to troll us? What is your general impression on the DUST (forum) community reception of the OP idea based on this thread posts? I can't be objective cos i'm pro it and my impression is there are more ppl who love it compared to haters Am i wrong or right?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 816	Posted - 2013.09.05 08:35:00 - [220] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Calling CCP Wolfman, calling CCP Wolfman... Do you still follow this thread? Have your post was serious invite for discussion or just sarcasm to troll us? What is your general impression on the DUST (forum) community reception of the OP idea based on this thread posts? I can't be objective cos i'm pro it and my impression is there are more ppl who love it compared to haters Am i wrong or right?

Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 477	Posted - 2013.09.05 09:12:00 - [221] - Quote Hey Hero, i think this thread should go into hibernation mode untill CCP sorts out 1.4 patch issues They apparently are on fire and have no time to answer to the spoiled brats' whim Maybe bump it next week? Ppl will get bored and loose interest into it otherwise...
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:20:00 - [222] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Thank you for saying this. Even though I think it would be really cool to be able to have my squad shooting out of the dropship while we come into a point, it would be massively overpowered and far too easily abused. My friend and I had a discussion about this a while back. We came to the conclusion that if you were to implement this it would have to be sidearms only. I must say now it would definitely be more trouble than its worth. I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship, trying to get kills with a pistol instead of jumping out over the point I'm hovering over for obvious reasons. If you want to shoot your weapon you jump out when the pilot gives you a good place to jump out on, leave the dropship kills to the gunners and Assault dropship pilots, that's what they train for!
Annabandak Mercery Knights Of Ender 40	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:02:00 - [223] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: i posted this in general discussion, but i feel it needs to be in this section good idea me thinks +1
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 558	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:03:00 - [224] - Quote I'm uploading a video about this argument, it will be online in 40 minutes, more or less.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:06:00 - [225] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Thank you for saying this. Even though I think it would be really cool to be able to have my squad shooting out of the dropship while we come into a point, it would be massively overpowered and far too easily abused. My friend and I had a discussion about this a while back. We came to the conclusion that if you were to implement this it would have to be sidearms only. I must say now it would definitely be more trouble than its worth. I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship, trying to get kills with a pistol instead of jumping out over the point I'm hovering over for obvious reasons. If you want to shoot your weapon you jump out when the pilot gives you a good place to jump out on, leave the dropship kills to the gunners and Assault dropship pilots, that's what they train for! There is one problem with your argument: Quote: (...)I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship(...) Infantry weapons have limited ammo. And as others said: pilot would have to hover midair (read: wait for shutdown motionlessly) to allow successful hits from said weapons. How long will ammo last if there is no place in DS to deploy hives? And how long will dropship last if it don't move? And as of Uprising 1.5 patch (coming probably in four weeks) vehicles will get limited ammo as well. Dropship cost ISK. Modules cost ISK. Infantry weapons cost ISK. Multiplied by number of mercs shooting. My guess is the combined cost of this combo shotdown will equall or exceed the cost of equipement destroyed by it in it's "life expectancy" window. Show me now where is the lack of balance here?
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:07:00 - [226] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I'm uploading a video about this argument, it will be online in 40 minutes, more or less. Better be objective. And not staged
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 559	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:20:00 - [227] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm uploading a video about this argument, it will be online in 40 minutes, more or less. Better be objective. And not staged I don't talk that much, i'm only laughing for all the lenght of the video
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 828	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:48:00 - [228] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Hey Hero, i think this thread should go into hibernation mode untill CCP sorts out 1.4 patch issues They apparently are on fire and have no time to answer to the spoiled brats' whim Maybe bump it next week? Ppl will get bored and loose interest into it otherwise... I'm not the guy bumping it people see it and respond because they want to see this happen. issues with 1.4 will be done by next week. this with the passengers im trying to get confirmed as a hotfix if its a simple coding issue (we can shoot into dropships cant we so the coding can't be that much different), its hard then at least 1.5
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 562	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:53:00 - [229] - Quote As promised here is the video of the aerial attack
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 828	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:54:00 - [230] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Thank you for saying this. Even though I think it would be really cool to be able to have my squad shooting out of the dropship while we come into a point, it would be massively overpowered and far too easily abused. My friend and I had a discussion about this a while back. We came to the conclusion that if you were to implement this it would have to be sidearms only. I must say now it would definitely be more trouble than its worth. I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship, trying to get kills with a pistol instead of jumping out over the point I'm hovering over for obvious reasons. If you want to shoot your weapon you jump out when the pilot gives you a good place to jump out on, leave the dropship kills to the gunners and Assault dropship pilots, that's what they train for! There is one problem with your argument: Quote: (...)I can see blues shooting endlessly inside my dropship(...) Infantry weapons have limited ammo. And as others said: pilot would have to hover midair (read: wait for shutdown motionlessly) to allow successful hits from said weapons. How long will ammo last if there is no place in DS to deploy hives? And how long will dropship last if it don't move? And as of Uprising 1.5 patch (coming probably in four weeks) vehicles will get limited ammo as well. Dropship cost ISK. Modules cost ISK. Infantry weapons cost ISK. Multiplied by number of mercs shooting. My guess is the combined cost of this combo shotdown will equall or exceed the cost of equipement destroyed by it in it's "life expectancy" window. Show me now where is the lack of balance here? in fact it would still be UP due to dropship flight mechanics, and the fact that AV can still kill my passengers even now out of my dropships. dropships now are just flying war points... they dnt accomplish much because thhey get insta-killed by all AV. and again... what side arms could possible by of use from any dropship? flaylocks are NOT MD and dnt have the splash range as such, scrambler pistols dnt have the range to be effective, SMGs only with proficiency will have enough range to do anything... and nova knives?! c'mon bro. I would need to hover at 10m altitude from the ground to kill enemies like this. I might as well just land and hvae them jump out and attack.

D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 828	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:01:00 - [231] - Quote shaman oga wrote: As promised here is the video of the aerial attack there was only one guy on their team running AV
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 564	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:10:00 - [232] - Quote Yes, is the sad story of AV, all or nothing. Of course do stupid things like that in a match with a lot of AV is impossible, it's impossible to use every kind of dropship if there are a lot of AVers.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 483	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:20:00 - [233] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Yes, is the sad story of AV, all or nothing. Of course do stupid things like that in a match with a lot of AV is impossible, it's impossible to use every kind of dropship if there are a lot of AVers. You'v destroyed only one HAV in 10 minutes! Had to restock ammo couple of times and constantly run away from AV. And you'v been almost shotdown in one moment. How many players were in red team? It's strange so little swarms coming at you after all. I am puzzled... Not very OP imho. EDIT: This way you can pack more swarms on DS than in passenger compartment of dropship
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 832	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:23:00 - [234] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Yes, is the sad story of AV, all or nothing. Of course do stupid things like that in a match with a lot of AV is impossible, it's impossible to use every kind of dropship if there are a lot of AVers. this is the relationship of[IMG]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3846267/sweat-laugh-o.gif[/IMG] AV to drop ships
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 566	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:32:00 - [235] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: shaman oga wrote: Yes, is the sad story of AV, all or nothing. Of course do stupid things like that in a match with a lot of AV is impossible, it's impossible to use every kind of dropship if there are a lot of AVers. You'v destroyed only one HAV in 10 minutes! Had to restock ammo couple of times and constantly run away from AV. And you'v been almost shotdown in one moment. How many players were in red team? It's strange so little swarms coming at you after all. I am puzzled... Not very OP imho. EDIT: This way you can pack more swarms on DS than in passenger compartment of dropship I'm still convinced that allow weapon usage on DS is not a good thing, the DS itself it's not OP, but the method that you can use to hunt vehicles will be OP. But the possibility to use equipment from inside a DS would be a great feature, a single swarm launcher almost destroyed me, all the AV can out DPS rep tools, this feature can improve our survivability without alter our attack power (that is almost zero)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 858	Posted - 2013.09.06 20:59:00 - [236] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: shaman oga wrote: Yes, is the sad story of AV, all or nothing. Of course do stupid things like that in a match with a lot of AV is impossible, it's impossible to use every kind of dropship if there are a lot of AVers. You'v destroyed only one HAV in 10 minutes! Had to restock ammo couple of times and constantly run away from AV. And you'v been almost shotdown in one moment. How many players were in red team? It's strange so little swarms coming at you after all. I am puzzled... Not very OP imho. EDIT: This way you can pack more swarms on DS than in passenger compartment of dropship I'm still convinced that allow weapon usage on DS is not a good thing, the DS itself it's not OP, but the method that you can use to hunt vehicles will be OP. are you serious?
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.09.06 21:46:00 - [237] - Quote To me this sounds Awesome. epic chaos. It wont be any more OP than a bunch of people firing swarm's or mass drivers off a roof top. The roof top doesnt explode. and the only counter to rooftops is sniping and orbitals. But as a game play element, a group of mercs fighting together as a team, in a flying death wagon sounds like alot of fun. After reading the entire thread, the best idea i heard to balance it was using the drop ship doors. At speeds they are closed and cannot be shot out of. If you go into a hover manuever they open up to allow people to shoot out. Its balanced because while hovering that dropship should be a sitting duck, 1 forge gunner away from collecting all the tears from the pilot and the passengers. In my perfect world of vehicle/av balance, vehicles are so cheap pilots can spam them like infantry can dropsuits. but they pop just as fast as dropsuits. The game is looking great graphically, More laser light shows, fireballs of plasma hureling throuhg the air. now it just needs more vehicles exploding all around you. I actually loved it when the free LAV spam was at its highest. Pushing the front lines with explosions all around me. felt epic. But I think my AV grenades were bugged, because they were not working for other people? So YES!. I want to shoot lasers out of a dropship, And yes I want to blow up dropships with 5 people in them. In a giant fireball of awesome please.
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 74	Posted - 2013.09.06 22:03:00 - [238] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Or an HMG shooting out of there acting like an extra turret almost.
Sarducar Kahn xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers 98	Posted - 2013.09.06 22:34:00 - [239] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Or an HMG shooting out of there acting like an extra turret almost. AR DPS>turret DPS. HMG's only downside here is its even shorter ranged
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 859	Posted - 2013.09.07 08:05:00 - [240] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Seems like a good opportunity to discuss this idea. How would you feel about dropships filled with swarm launchers or mass drivers for example? Or an HMG shooting out of there acting like an extra turret almost. are you serious?



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