that would be careless spending of sp then

i dont now what the second paragraph really has to do with what i said... other than. if you are the OP chaser, then this isnt the game for you, if you wanna think outside the box and rely on a squad and let the squad rely on you and learn to adapt to each change to maximize potential of a "nerfed" class (i put that in quotes since i still dont see how anything is under powered if they are used right) then stick with it....

lasers got nerfed? ever see a laser logi with a mass driver assault come at you? they drop your shield in a snap then boom explosive damage, you dead...

i dont really see these "nerfs" as nerfs... i see them as a chance think outside the box and catch others by surprise

Ok, so why was it buffed, then? You didn't answer the question you just pigeonholed what a Logi is sort of suppose to do. I could have swore that Dust was about breaking class molds and playing the game your way as advertised by CCP.

adapt or die

Ok. Let's use a vanilla AR magazine size decrease as an example. What if CCP decided decrease the mag size to 40. This would alter how a person needed to approach fire fights, and even change the playstyle required for max effectiveness because running your mag dry and reloading at the wrong time could get your killed. That's what I mean by the basic functions could change.

Not like and the HTFU line of thinking might be the very reason CCP is struggling with keeping Dust's player count up or anything.

if you havent played eve for a decent amount of time, then its hard to explain how CCP does things.

it could have been buffed for many reasons... maybe it was buffed to allow more breaking of its class... maybe they want people to get more kills and not have to focus on support as much.

is something underpowered when you can reach the top of the leaderboard in it if you use it as intended? or are you just using it outside its intended use but with a bad layout?

i put stuff on my suit that most would not expect and it goes good with my playstyle. most with the same meduim suit have 150 to 300 more hp then i. more damage, more shield regan... but i put a specific module and sacrificed all the just for a simple boost to my personal preference in my tactics...

i think they didnt research what they were getting into

Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlH2c5dyA&list=PLFC7B99173F4DC31F - I have a trailer for you. Pay special attention starting at 1:20. CCP markets Dust as player not be nailed down to traditional FPS combat roles.

thats the nature of CCP games... they arent hurting for a player base... they built one slowly in EVE and they know it will be the same in dust. many will leave because they do not like the "adapt or die" model. but that is just what is gonna happen.

they will have a steady growth of very dedicated players while 10 times that amount will try and quit, do to the harshness and complexity that is put on the table in front of them...

in the beginning they may grant your wishes of a respec, but sooner or later, they will throw you into New Eden and it will be "adapt or die".

so... might as well get used to it lol

Yeah I get that Dust is connected to Eve via backstory and universe, but Dust is not Eve. Free to play cannot function under the same revenue gain strategy as subscription based. Building a playerbase slowly is not a sustainable financial model for F2P.

Ok. Let's use a vanilla AR magazine size decrease as an example. What if CCP decided decrease the mag size to 40. This would alter how a person needed to approach fire fights, and even change the playstyle required for max effectiveness because running your mag dry and reloading at the wrong time could get your killed. That's what I mean by the basic functions could change.

ok... and i play with my suit outside of its role... i have no side arm and less effective hp then most other logi's... i gain a bonus to hacking, and an equipment slot... i do very well on average... i wont tell you how i play outside my role or it may give away my exact layout... but i play one of the least "combative" medium suits in the game and use it otherwise... think outside the box...

You're missing the point. Dust is marketed as a game which encourages players break outside of the mold or you know think outside of the box. You stance is that nothing is underpowered only misused. I'm telling how CCP, by their own advert, present Dust to players in a manner which conflicts and contradicts with your stance.

And, I couldn't care less about your "supa-secret tech".

You're missing the point. Dust is marketed as a game which encourages players break outside of the mold or you know think outside of the box. You stance is that nothing is underpowered only misused. I'm telling how CCP, by their own advert, present Dust to players in a manner which conflicts and contradicts with your stance.

And, I couldn't care less about your "supa-secret tech".

I assuming that you talking about the Caldari Logistics...it haven't been nerf, its been redesign to do their specific role, if you want to Assault, use the Assault suit... Proper logibros will still use it, and enjoy it very much.

i guess we will see... CCP has already broken new ground with EVE, they have broken new ground with Dust, and they will continue to do so... i like the "adapt or die" model... therefore myself and many others i know would stay and probably pay.... many im assuming like yourself will move on... but thats just the nature of CCP games... like i said... better get used to it or this may turn out not to be the right FPS for you... no offense... its true though... for many of its players

1-month-plan $ 14.95 / $ 14.95
3-month-plan $ 12.95 / $ 38.85
6-month-plan $ 11.95 / $ 71.70
12-month-plan $10.95 / $ 131.40

That's EVE's sub costs in USD as I found it here. You and the many people you know are all willing to spend something similar each month on Dust?

F2P doesn't work on a small, slowing growing playerbase because players don't have to pay. They need larger, steadily growing playbases because the more players, the more potential for players who are going to spend cash. You ever wonder why Dust works so much better with squads? It's not a ground breaking element of game design. It's a marketing strategy. F2P always offer better gameplay with friends by design to encourage players to enlist others to play.

He's not.

F2P games tend to live off from the 10% of dedicated players that pay for the rest of them. The number of players is not as important as the willingness to spend money of those who can.

There has been a thread somewhere here that showed that numerous players bought packs, boosters and AUR worth several hundred dollars in just a few months.

Nevertheless, 10% of a larger number is more. The smaller the base, the smaller that 10% is, and the more money that 10% must pay in for CCP to turn a profit. It's easier to motivate 10% of 1,000 to spend $1 a month, then it is to get 10% of 100 to spend $10.

Nevertheless, 10% of a larger number is more. The smaller the base, the smaller that 10% is, and the more money that 10% must pay in for CCP to turn a profit. It's easier to motivate 10% of 1,000 to spend $1 a month, then it is to get 10% of 100 to spend $10.

thats the nature of CCP games... they arent hurting for a player base... they built one slowly in EVE and they know it will be the same in dust. many will leave because they do not like the "adapt or die" model. but that is just what is gonna happen.

they will have a steady growth of very dedicated players while 10 times that amount will try and quit, do to the harshness and complexity that is put on the table in front of them...

in the beginning they may grant your wishes of a respec, but sooner or later, they will throw you into New Eden and it will be "adapt or die".

so... might as well get used to it lol

That is the beauty of the F2P model ... lets say you have 50,000 players, about 50% of that people eventually is going to spend $5 or more.. if you can keep new people interested in the game for long periods, then that percentage goes up to 65%...if the regular players are happy ( about 15% ) the are likely to spend $15--ú20 a month "minimum".

Targeted player base doesn't work in F2P games, you need a more "general" approach.

We need our respecs already.

A nice monthly respec offer after every patch.

Don't want us to spam it? Don't offer ISK or AUR respecs.

Whenever you do a major patch, offer a respec.
That too much to ask?

No it is not us who need to adapt or die anymore, its ccp. Weve been dealing with this game long enough and it gets worse the older it gets. We are done being misstreated and its evident with all the quiting posts on these forums. We are being directly abused, taunte, misstreated and robed of ourclasses with these "rebalncing" patxhes and were sick of it. We are fps gamers, not wannabe columbus in space and we will have compensation when the developers wrong us or there will be no more dust. Adapt or die, ccp

Not necessarily. The more targeted your appraoch, the smaller the potential player base (that we all agree on). But the more targeted the player base the higher the rate of "perfect match" customers that basically have nowhere else to go and lose any interest in the competitions offerings.

Those are the people that play an MMO for a decade straight without any sign of wear. Those are the guys that pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to improve their experience because they identify the product as part of their everyday life and as a worthwhile area to invest money into.

You can target a very general group of people to maximize player count and viral effectiveness. But the more general the group your product appeals to, the less is this product able to satisfy each of the subsets your general group is composed of.

The consequence is a general loss of long term retention and less incentive to invest money that has to be offset by having a large number of players that, on average, spend less.

Not necessarily. The more targeted your appraoch, the smaller the potential player base (that we all agree on). But the more targeted the player base the higher the rate of "perfect match" customers that basically have nowhere else to go and lose any interest in the competitions offerings.

Those are the people that play an MMO for a decade straight without any sign of wear. Those are the guys that pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to improve their experience because they identify the product as part of their everyday life and as a worthwhile area to invest money into.

You can target a very general group of people to maximize player count and viral effectiveness. But the more general the group your product appeals to, the less is this product able to satisfy each of the subsets your general group is composed of.

The consequence is a general loss of long term retention and less incentive to invest money that has to be offset by having a large number of players that, on average, spend less.