Run free fits for fun until you can pretend that you're an athlete again.

Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using?
Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table?
Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items?

Cause we all know balance is months and months away... Iike it always has been for dust.

When it comes to corps... If you want to be competitive in PC you can't run terrible builds just cause you're a special snowflake. Most corps would probably tell him "Exmaple... You're a beast tanker. And when tanks become viable again next February we would love to run you again, but until then we need another assault on the field."

Once we've reached some semblance of balance, respecs won't be necessary. But the people on this forum are dellusional if they think we are balanced now or will be balanced by the end of the year.

FOTM is a symptom of bad balance, not of the ability to respec.

Hmm, but if it was properly balanced and fair, then why would it get a nerf or buff?

To be fair, plasma cannon was always bad.

Laser nerf was pretty much just the viziam, otherwise the guns major change was just the iron sights. Which DID make it, in effect, a nerf...but technically it isnt. (and anyways, they are adding the red dot sight back to lasers which will bring back the melting of faces)

I dunno, my HMG was nerfed into a shorter range then a shotgun with worse dispersion than an SMG...my forge gun was never correctly registering direct and splash radius hits for months, strafe speed was increased but they still left me fat and slow to turn... yet i still had fun.

maybe I'm just a rare breed that enjoys the game i play, even through the rough patches.

Probably the same reason why even after my optional respec, went back into the Mass Driver, which was bugged, and Minmatar logi, which was lumped up with the CaLogi during everyone's nerf witch hunt. It's something you find fun, like doing, and you have faith in the developers that they'll make things right. If everyone cared more about being effective than having fun, we'd all be running around in shield tanking suits and ARs.

Exmaple Core, I've been in the same boat you're in now. Not just with Dust or EVE, but in a lot of online games. Some of us are too stubborn to take the road less traveled with hopes that it pays off in the end. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, there's no guarantee. The only thing you can really do is think of the good times, or dream of the possible good times around the corner. If you decide to do anything that matters- don't give up. Whether it's too expensive, underpowered, or your peers don't respect what you do, find a way to keep things going- keep the faith and do it because it's what you like doing.

"Adapt or Die..."

There is no perfectly balanced game of this complexity. We could argue with fairies aswell by that standard.

It's up to the game design philosophy at that point and i can live with either argument just fine.

Until we're even remotely balanced through, I think respecs would help more than they hurt. For reasons already listed.

I understand how you feel. I also know that if CCP fails to offer a optional respec after all suits, weapons, and vehicles are released there will be a lot of unhappy players. Balance is needed, but lets be patient and wait for them to fix the current problems and release of all items. I say 6 months from now if not half of these items are not fixed, there may not be enough people left. You can only take so much before you throw your hands up. For example American cars, the auto industry thought they were invincible and kept making crap. Americans had enough of it and moved to Japanese built cars.

Respecs have a few unique advantages though.

1. They show the metrics for FOTM much clearer to CCP, getting us closer to balance faster.
2. They allow people to spec into FOTM counters until FOTM can get fixed.
3. They don't alienate players who've been nerfed into oblivion by a 'balance patch' like tankers and scouts and heavies.
4. They can clearly see which suits are underutilized since people don't have to use them anymore, instead... People are just stuck with ****** suits and left to complain endlessly on the forum until they give up and quit the game.

I will fully admit, respecs go against the design philosophy of this game and will probably be bad in the long run. But right now the game needs help, and people just want to have fun while they play.

For many people sitting on nerfed builds, not having the ability to spec out of bad design decisions made by CCP means they cannot have fun... So why should they play?

I'm happy with my cal logi build, I don't even want a respec that badly. I just sit here now and make comments on it everyday for people like Exmaple who got boned by bad design and just left the deal with it.

I like this game, and I want more people to play it. Despite any of my forum rage ive posted in other threads.

In the right order:

1. They also amplify possibly insignificant balance issues, making reasonable balance harder to achieve and "nerfed into oblivion" scenarios more common.

2. A measure that could be fixed directly and and possibly easier without respecs as per my response to 1.

3. They alienate players whom value the "no respec" mentality and would take issue with such a step. (Leaving justification for either position aside for the sake of the argument)

4. "Underutilized does not mean UP. There are other possible reasons for that and better metrics to assess relative power in a no respec environment.

Lastly there are other reasons against respecs, most of which have nothing/not much to do with FOTM chasing here, here, here, here, here and here.

It is often overlooked that the no respec mentality of CCP has as variety of reasons behind it and the subject is not done due justice if they are ignored.

I respect Cosgar too much to troll, but this thread IS DUMBER THAN ME. Quit speccing into things you use so once they get nerfed to non-OP status, and play the game like someone respectable.

It can also be detrimental though.

Lets say they gave the respec for tankers and most tankers respecced out of tanks.

Now theres no use for large amounts of SP invested in AV, so AVer's respec out of it.

There's very few tanks and AV now, so how are they going to collect data for those to balance it?

Or what if those Tankers all decided to spec into LLAV, which is truly OP. Now you have 6 LLAV's driving around all match neigh unstoppable.

LLAV gets nerfed too strong because of glorified data, everyone respecs out of it. No more LLAVs anymore.

Respecs are indeed a way to keep things fresh, and to add enjoyment by speccing out of something you personally think isn't fun to play anymore.

It just my opinion thats it cant work well for this game. It will only create a merry-go-round of extreme buffs and nerfs.

Yeah. I specced into something I knew was UP when I did it. I prefer the hard road, it forces me to be better than the kid who specs FOTM, because I have to be so to beat them.

think of it like this: When you use a crutch, and someone kicks it out, you can't get up as as easily because your legs got weak. Me? I laugh at the guy on the ground since I already did my getting up. Giggity.

If the game in its current state is incapable of providing him the fun he's looking for than at least a break might be in order.

We are now getting to the point where we have to acknowledge that different people have different expactations of a fun game and that probably each of us has his own personal "screw this then" scenario. It might be that the prevention of my "screw this then" scenario might directly or indirectly trigger his "screw this then" scenario and vice versa. Now how do we deal with it?

In the end we all are standing up for what we believe is the best for the players and the game, knowing that our priorities might alienate someone else from it.

I'm not going to bs you in saying that i wasn't aware of the fact that i endorse a position that screws some people over. Every position screws somebody over.

C'mon dude...

The problem is that i don't agree that respecs are the answer, that's why we are arguing in the frist place.

CCP has stated earlier that a large part of the development of the market is monitoring player behavior after every intermediate feature is added (donation, isk transfer, later item trade etc.)

Putting respecs into this equation makes the whole thing volatile to no end. A temporary respec phase would invalidate all gathered data and CCP would risk damaging both economies if they merge them based on these false data.

And we know quite a bit about the basic functionality of the market. The planned eve dust connection pretty much predefined a range range of funcionality that will have to be definitely implemented or the feature can be scrapped altogether.

Lastly the market is only mentioned in one of those links iirc. Those are still standing.

Very rarely do classes that weren't being abused get nerfed hard enough to makes respec necessary

Lets say you were a scout, and you think that with aiming fixes coming in 1.4, you think that the scouts advantage of being hard to hit, well make a big damn uproar for a buff to ease the issue.
Now, lets say you were a CalLogi. If you were using it for what it was supposed to do, while you'll have to sacrifice some tank, you'll not be bothered by the nerf. And if you were dumb enough to spec into it for its mega assault capabilities, not thinking it would be nerfed, then shame on you. Spec into something that is supposed to mega assault, the heavy. Then maybe it can get balanced, cause people used to say it is UP, and I really don't know.

nope, but CCP can't do small balance patches they only do huge pendulum swings. so whats UP right now, could be crazy OP next patch. and likewise, what's OP will likely be kneecapped with a ball-pein hammer. Live with your choices.

It's your choice to spend the SP on something that is obviously OP. It's your choice to continue playing after you were invalidated. It's your choice to whine on the forums for a respec that won't come.

Ah i see, the orginal word was 1.4 and i have unfortionetly been busy so i missed this post. Very good idea, and im greatful you took the time to do this and correct my thread. thanks sir, really sucks that its pushed back tho :/

Completely balanced? I agree.

There will be a periodic exchange of OP/UP cycles with less and less steep flanks but a state that we could call "properly balanced" will take quite some time. But now that we can be pretty sure that something wen't wrong with CCP Blam! we might see some great steps taken with regards to vehicles/AV in the near future if at least in relative terms.

And this is a matter of personal preference but i perceived Uprising and the later patches as very positive in my experience. Sure much is still broken and the pace of change could be improved but when i grow sick of the game i just take a break and come back when i feel like it.

I think the best approach is to ask oneself "is it fun?" and whenever the answer is "no" step aside and do things you enjoy. Did it a few times already and it really helps keep the distance.

I'm a shield-missile tanker. My entire playstyle is invalidated by a single forge gunner, or even half-decent tank on the field. you know what I did? grabbed a heavy machine gun and a fatsuit after a week long break. it's nice to start at the bottom again, keeps you from making bullcrap posts demanding a respec even though they already said NO MORE a while ago.

My opinion is that you should live with it. they said your decisions matter, And they do. You chose to spec into a very specific role on an ever changing battlefield. when the battlefield changed, and you broke. I decided to be more flexible.

If the balance has been shown to be volatile at best, then try to avoid speccing into things too terribly heavily unless you're sure that come rain, snow, fire, or flood, you'll be able to be happy with it.

How about a full reset. Sounds good to me. (BTW I have 10 mil SP)

I have read your reply and apologize for speaking of ignorance about the latest developments. I can only imagine how aggrevating it must be to get set back yet another month or even longer. Maybe we will have another discussion in two days when i get my share of the nerf bat and find that i can change my class now.

I can understand if this "solution" i described is unacceptable for you. Other things would be unacceptable for me. What i stated was a pragmatic (if optimistic) view of what CCP can actually pull of in the best case. Balance changes like that will require several iterations to get somewhat right and there's hardly a point in wishing otherwise. This will just lead to disappointment and a videogame is the wrong source to willfully endure disappointment from.

It is currently designed that way but I don't think this is in line with CCPs vision.

The skillsystem should allow specialization and generalization to be viable alternatives with varying ups and downs. The bonuses from Pro mods however (especially tanking) are so strong that it's far too viable to fit proto whatever really. Since that one level can easily increase ehp by 20% with just the mods and almost triple it if combined with the suit.

This defies the concept of diminishing returns. And is thus bad.

I think that CCP can improve on this and interesting concepts have been proposed on these forums (among others from cat merc, of all people )

Armor tank crying for 1.4 fix?Oh and no respec sorry

A reset won't fix anything.
Sure, it will even the playfield...
FOR NOW.
What about in 2-3 months?
New players will step in and find themselves and the same situation.
So you will do another reset?

I agree with a respec but after all the weapons are implemented and balanced so there is no fotm ****

Get rid of the cap and ill agree otherwise I could care less I skilled into what I need for situations

For tankers should be given a respec..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85rSUPT5w8&feature=youtube_gdata_player , ill sign

Not so much that its OP but after the respec everyone went to it even though they knew it would get nerfed

That was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard tanks, I love them so much but they suck

It's a huge black mark for any new content, if players have to constantly worry about trying new toys which might be broken for their trouble. It's a whole lot of forbidden fruit nonsense which only stigmatizes player experimentation. New content is going to keep the game alive, having to worry about booty traps within said new content is going to drive players away.

Yea but in those other games would it take you literally months to get into a new weapon or item was it plausible to get them in short order(2 weeks)

If the anti-respec crowd want it there way im willing to let them have it but we get NO SP CAP or 3x SP as the base weekly cap UNTIL a TRUE BALANCE is achieved,

/thread.

A free respec will see around 80-90% of players switching to the current FOTM and then demanding another free respec when that gets balance properly. CCP caves now, they'll never stop.

EDIT: not in favor of paid respecs either. spec what you love, and the kills will come.

You respec every few months untill you reach a point were the game is balanced enough for players to temper the game. Its called upkeep checks, attending to your players general interest to play your game even though you treat them like shiet, or fixing the mistakes you made ruining everyones playstyles and cadering to those still wanting to play dust. With all the rebalancing done, comming and will be comming later everyone is extreemly p*ssed off with whats happening to their classes and the SP they spent quiet some time ago now being garbage and unrefundable. People are great one day and their their garbage, shuned by strong corps and excluded in PC because of their class got changed suddenly. Should we all be garbage and just deal with it? No. You respec at reasonable intervals, when needed, so this game is still playable and tolerable. Simply telling everyone to stop playing, being patient, HTFU cuz your screwed or staying silent is killing dust and its playerbase. Compensation is needed to those wrongly afflicted by developer errors

why is it that what you're using has to be all-powerful for you to have fun? I specced into missile tanks because I like blowing shite up, and the caldari tanks specialize in missiles, which are all about blowing shite up. they were crap when I started, and have since gotten worse. According to everyone here, I should have quit to send a message to CCP. How's about I just keep doing what I like, since I don't need it to be OP to have fun.

I specced into too much. I seen the down fall of shields, but before I dumped my whole lot into it. FROM THE INITIAL RESPEC. From Chrome to here. So I dabbled back into my scout suit. Iffy results, then spent a few into a Gal Assault suit, again kinda iffy.

So far, I still play PC ( when MY time permits), and still turn a profit. I'm not even running proto suits yet and still working fine.

Look, try new things, here and there. Check out the MLT fit first, find one you like, and slowly spec into it.

Nothing is definitive in this game, let alone the company. We all knew this. You just had to Google "CCP" and probably see "NERF and BUFF Champions and still reigning"

I'm no special kitten here, but... if my scrubby butt can learn a new trick, I think an old vet like yourself can do the same.

Maybe if something is grossly UP, start a thread, which ( tankers and scouts) have, and at least a comment from a DEV. I don't have a magic crystal ball that will tell me the next nerf is coming, but I can tell you it is a matter of "when".

I am offended, that this guy has any say in a game I hope will be better then it is now.

"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.

That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots.

no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback?

And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game.

exmaple. i respect you so im not trolling, however, i disagree with you.

1) after the last respec, they were pretty fair in telling us that things are still changing and to invest wisely because there will not be another.

2) this game will constantly evolve, it will never be fully balanced...
why??
because when it finally starts getting fully balanced, CCP will add a new dynamic whether it comes in the version of a skill or the version of a weapon... and this will all start up again about how people should get a rebalance.

3) choose your skills solely on what YOU like to to not on what is the best at the time that you can get the best k/d with... that way, even nerfed, you still have fun and know that sooner or later you will be back on top when a new game dynamic is added or a new balance is brought.

its like the huge amount of people that dumped SP into the flaylock, most of them didnt choose the flaylock because they thought it would fit their playstyle, they dumped huge amounts of SP into to benefit their k/d...

so far, this id from observation, the only people who really care about respec from a 1st hand perspective, are those who chose to dump SP in a fitting solely to increase their k/d... those who dropped SP into what they like to do i.e. minnie logi, dropships, shotty scouts, etc dont seem to have a problem

so... did you? or those whom you speak of really invest the SP into the gear and equipment that fits their individual play style? or did they just choose the most powerful at the time?

and this time, they would have learned the nature of CCP and how dynamics and mechanics of a CCP game will change and evolve constantly... yet they still invested 15 mil sp?

also just a side note. i still have yet to see a class that, as a whole, is underpowered or sucks

this

and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation.

Everyone is paying good money... everyone gets a trophy ... cuz you paid for it. Now if you are more adept at hitting other kids over the head with that trophy then the other guy... you get a good k/d ratio. But the trophy is paid for ...

If you spread out your SP into even 2 classes you are not mono tasking. You will not be in any serious involvement in dust and the best corps will not talk to you other than the i killed you mails they send. The DEVs encourage mono specing and becoming very efficent in one class so you can contribute to a team. If you spread out your sp, you are nothing. Mono specing is how dust is supposed to be played and is how corps are seccessful, because they are a collection of players who mono speced into a class who work together to contribute their specific roles as a team. If you can do everything, but are not particulary good at anything, you are a bad player. Sadly, of late, the good players who mono speced like they should be doing, have been getting nerfed so they are just as bad and worthless

thats the nature of CCP games... they arent hurting for a player base... they built one slowly in EVE and they know it will be the same in dust. many will leave because they do not like the "adapt or die" model. but that is just what is gonna happen.

they will have a steady growth of very dedicated players while 10 times that amount will try and quit, do to the harshness and complexity that is put on the table in front of them...

in the beginning they may grant your wishes of a respec, but sooner or later, they will throw you into New Eden and it will be "adapt or die".

so... might as well get used to it lol

Maple, bro, I love you but respecs are bad mojo in a persistent game. The impacts on the econ alone are very negative and the net result of unlimited respec is a harshly truncated lifespan for the game.

Now that being said there are some concerns which do need to be addressed, I believe this idea, is a good start on that road. Add in more frequent bonus SP events and some wise advanced planning (like focusing on passive skills first and avoiding all FotM builds) and you've got a pretty good solution which would at least heavily minimize the drawbacks of being invested into gear that has been nerfed.

Cheers,
Cross

ps ~ A few highlights regarding the problems with respecs

At this point maple... I think its best to just live with the state of the game until 1.5.

At which point we will probably get another respec, and if we're lucky the game will be halfway to balanced by then.

Its true 1.5 probably isn't due until late October though. So I suggest finding a new game until then. I'm currently working through my steam library right now.

Should have a solid month you can enjoy the game before PS4 releases.

So what I'm really saying.. is that anyone looking for a competitive fps should probably just quit now.

FOTM is a pain in the arse yes. but to respec everytime someone gets nerfed isnt the answer.
instead ccp needs to stop the fotm and actually use the made and released model in game vs the players of the community and test it to see if its op. then decide if it needs balancing or nerfing then put it into game after its been tweaked out to the point that it is fair.

do i agree with a respec? no because 98% of people who spec'ed into the flaylock knew what it was and what it did. new players arent joining this community so everyone knew what it was. the excuse of i didnt know the logi or the flaylock was op is an excuse.

exmaple u a cool dude and i respect you but i do not agree with you on this and on a respec. this only gives people like me and you 15mill or 20 mill sp a chance to rain dominance and ruin fun times for the new players that are trying to creap into this game and it makes pc matches unbalanced because u got tryhards who use exploit tactics to win games rather then to actually use gun game.

The solution is to live with it.

If your choices lack permanence, then they are meaningless. Notably you got this whole thing entirely ****ing wrong last time. I said it to mean that you should have to live with the choice you made. Permanently. If your choices aren't permanent, then they are meaningless. this does not mean that balance should be locked and stagnant. it means your choices, once locked in should be unchangeable. so you specced into something that was obviously OP and headed for nerf-city, full steam ahead? Now try to spec into something you actually like.

militia gear with tons of SP into core skills is actually pretty insane

really? there isn't an armor tank in the game yet? somebody tell the gallente guys they're supposed to be running shield mods then.

did I say use **** gear? no, I said spec into a facsimile(amarr? use gallente., minmatar? use caldari.) and work your core skills, these get you the things you really need,(your tank, your modules, etc etc)

made by CCP... dont expect it to be that much different...

The other difference is that I can spell properly and I don't spend my time bitching about things that won't change. I ***** about things that are being changed, but are moving too slowly for my tastes. And again, being forced to play better because I work against more while using less does come with advantages.

This... we're not at a point where there is permanence in your decisions, as the classes change all of the time.

And there is a distinct difference between enjoying your time as a non factor in an npc corp derping in pub matches and wanting to be an integral part of a corp participating in high level corp matches.

I'm seriously starting to think... if you play competitively, you're best off just quitting. Maybe come back in a year or two once its on the PS4 and somewhat balanced with most of the missing basic content finally added in. By then im sure a respec will have been issue, and you can come back to 30-40 million unallocated SP.

Let the faithful non factors beta test the content

Dude, some of the people in this thread are drinking some major koolaid.

Its cool though, Titanfall and BF4 will be out soon. I'll have FF14 to keep me occupied until then.

Then hopefully TESO will be good too. We've got a bright, clean, non dusty future to look forward to!

So you need a respec to be good again?

By the way, what's with all the needless hostility? Your posts were OK up until you started ranting. This kind of behaviour is just going to get the thread locked for ranting and CCP will not bother reading this.

I think that's the difference in mentality between so-called 'competitive' and 'casual' players.

The 'video games are serious business and a second job' types want something that let's you kill lots of people, as that's the source of their fun.

The 'it's just a game, I'll play it to have fun and if I stop having fun I'll do something else' types are the ones that choose something that they have fun playing.

The difference in mentality is that some people can only have fun when they win (carebears) and some people just have fun throughout the process. Hence why EVE is being infested with carebears who do nothing but shoot red NPC crosses all day, since shooting other players present a risk of not doing well.

Dust can and SHOULD cater to both crowds. BUT, it should not PANDER to either of them.

Guess I fall into the "I already have two jobs, why do I need three" crowd. I don't need to be the best as I play a specialized role to my friends. "that psychopath who can occasionally break a siege on nothing but flanking, a militia shotgun, and pure, batshit insanity."

EDIT: See Maple, you don't want a respec to try something new, you just want it to you can stomp in the current "best" version of what you do already. FOTM chasing. When tanks get nerfed again in 6 months(since they're taking out the bug that makes armor tanks repair ultra-fast SOONtm) Will you be demanding another respec so you can switch back to shields since they will have a slight edge then?

Honestly, if you'd saved your sp since you specced into tanks and started saving almost what 2 months ago...you could have made 5 mill sp in that time, enough sp to run a protosuit and protoweapon and be competitive. I rather miss you out of tanks and in that lol caldari logi you used to run so well.

Okay, this is just annoying me, the word is losing. Not loosing. For god's sake, it makes me want to brain someone with a soup spoon every single time I see anyone type that.

You don't enjoy it because you lose. You want to spec into something you can win with. I believe in keeping with the design of the game and having your choices matter. We are at odds, and you keep insulting me for supporting the dev's position of no more respecs, resets, or whatever else you would like to term it.

Are you sure you're good with it? Or are you remembering the borked hit detection that was the only thing that kept people from shredding you? They mostly fixed the close range hit detection.

I don't need to be "competitive" seeing as competitive means playing this as a job, and playing something that's needed, not fun. As I mentioned earlier, I have two jobs already, and do not need a third. You seem to support doing this as such, and I would suggest just getting a job, they pay better than playing video games all day.

Hmmm..

I coulda sworn I have video's of you post uprising in a yellow suit with a shotgun and core locus owning fools.
But anyhoo

You mentioned to me when you got your respec you put 14.4 mill sp into tanks. I had about 13.5 at the time. I now have 19.8 mill sp. What i'm suggesting is that you've been complaining about this for 2 months since you got the respec, why haven't you saved the about 6 mill potential and placed it into a different role? You failed to understand the intent of my first post so I hope this one clarifies it. ^_^

Welp, good luck! Yeah, I'd have had a nice protosuit with 6 mill sp...keep trucking it dude! Oh, and I hear respecs when they redo the dropsuit bonus's, something about everything being changed so respec time for everyone :P

I break sieges with nothing but militia. to kill with each shell, and pelt a heavy with a perfectly cooked grenade right in his/her(can't tell on the field) soft bits. I lead the charge and the protos come in after. It's not all gear, some of it is just knowing the situation, and doing the unexpected.

My enjoyment comes from seeing a proto die and knowing that I won with inferior gear.

Sorry that you need to have better to do better. I'm used to doing more with less.

This is true I've gone against xmaple all closed beta I've yet to see him run assault or logi he has more varitey than most people

And I don't want to. So much bluster and bullshit, and you run into sooooo many more FOTM chasing douchebags there. people who only play this broken game to be "competitive" by using the most broken crap they can find. I'm happier in pub matches, much more variety of players and stratagems. No "ONLY ONE JOB PER PERSON! YOU BETTER BE USING THE STATISTICALLY BEST GUN AND SUIT FOR YOUR ROLE! SKILL DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S ALL GEAR!" people like you to annoy me.

Dust 514: Player Spotlight EXMAPLE CORE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqf09bHRFYQ

we need to do another video maple

A good player can play well in any suit using any weapon. Get good

If you respec in order to try new things, people will just jump onto the FOTM and when it gets nerfed, they'll ask for another one. You'll never be satisfied with one respec, you'll keep wanting and expecting more. What happens when you respec into a class you were curious about and find out you don't enjoy it? "GIVE ME ANOTHER RESPEC!!!"

Variety is nice, and it doesn't take that much SP to try something new. Invest in core skills first, and learn to run in non proto gear for awhile.
My sympathies to those who don't know how to plan out their skills, and those who have their passions nerfed though.

Blame CCP for FOTM don't blame the players for that. We need respec option abaible at all times. Since CCP.is going to tweak this game to hell and back give us the option to respec out of what ever they break.

Well then, cudos to you... Lets see if you feel the same way when you have to try to fit your calogi with the same equipment as other races with 40 less CPU, and im not refering to the Douvall rifle and 5 shield ext., Im talking about a core repair tool, an Ishkone nano, and an advanced injector, or maybe some droplinks... I could care less about the race bonus, but to give me a handicap of 40 CPU which by the way will be more like a 50 point handicap if you include the loss of 25% at proto lvl..

lol.

I Logi just fine in my Minmatar Logi.

lol.

Sure you can, just not a caldari Logi, Those will become extinct and the suit will still be abused, people will just drop all of the equipment and use it as an assault... Like i said before, make game modes that are gear specific, then all you have are your core upgrades and skill.. I am by far not "great" at this game, but i hold my own and i play it for fun... Lately, the fun has been lacking and only frustration remains in its place..

Sure you can, just not a caldari Logi, Those will become extinct and the suit will still be abused, people will just drop all of the equipment and use it as an assault... Like i said before, make game modes that are gear specific, then all you have are your core upgrades and skill.. I am by far not "great" at this game, but i hold my own and i play it for fun... Lately, the fun has been lacking and only frustration remains in its place..

regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

PS. i thought it was funny and ironic, on his fit he had logi stuff pre nerf and just a nanohive post nerf.
hilarious because thats how my proto fits turned out.

Fixed ill jump intime, I like to make close calls they're more fun

You all know that this weak sauce cry baby ***t has lead to us losing something I paid for and after a hard core nerf nothing is offered? Dude the day Destiny touches down infinite diversity will get the delete button. These people are stupid if they think that they can take my money for boosters, and my money for the elite packs and my AURUM for things like fuse locus grenades which combined with my cpu reduction on my logi I can't even run, and I purchased 3000 of them, this is criminal, I am not even being offered an Aur refund? Who is advising you on your business model? Do you really think I will be retained as a customer? Do you think I will spend another 100 dollars on you? No, I will spend it on the game that doesn't change my entire setup on the whims of the owned....... I mean really I can't have my Aur back? You can't buy back these 3 thousand useless grenades? Ccp you are super fails, I believed in you I purchased your product and was ripped off......RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Absolutely, that was my request, hell just giving me the aur back I spent on 3000 fused grenades would be great, my help ticket was denied promptly.

So if everyone got their respec requests granted along with this guy, they could all spec into the same thing he does.

Great, since we're all clones let's all look alike too.

Everyone using the same thing = balance, right?

Everyone runs AR -> Look at all the Flaylock QQ's, Forge QQ's, tanker QQ's etc.

Sure, AR is the most common weapon, and to be honest I don't see too much of a problem with that since it's a staple in most FPS games and versatile but not particularly excelling in any particular role.

Look at his post? -> Look at his fit. Tell me he was using the logi suit as a logi focused on supporting his teammates.

He decided to use logi suit as an assault suit, and even after nerf, still wants to use it as one. The mentality of this kind of player is equivalent to someone walking in straight line, a wall shows up in his way eventually, and said person walking repeatedly into that wall wondering what has happened.

I've bolded the parts where you screwed up.

Did CCP take away your free fits, or militia gear as well? No excuse for losing ISK then.

Diversify and bank your SP.

No respecs.

Sure, cause a playerbase comprised totally of yes-men will make this game so much better.

What can you do eh? What starts off as a decent discussions turns into butthurt players insulting each other's FPS skills and correct/incorrect use of various terms.

Godwin is most likely around the corner as well

Who're the people most in need of a respec? Dropship pilots. followed very closely by tankers.

We won't even get a single ****ing balance pass for at least 6 ****ing months.

Tanks were OP one time I will admit that but since then they've been weak as hell why the hell should 1 guy be able to solo a tank? Yeah no proto tanks so they should have taken proto av out aswell