You give it 2-3 weeks and it would all settle to equilibrium.

Yeah. I specced into something I knew was UP when I did it. I prefer the hard road, it forces me to be better than the kid who specs FOTM, because I have to be so to beat them.

think of it like this: When you use a crutch, and someone kicks it out, you can't get up as as easily because your legs got weak. Me? I laugh at the guy on the ground since I already did my getting up. Giggity.

So what should someone in exmaple's position do? Just quit the game?

You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks

If the game in its current state is incapable of providing him the fun he's looking for than at least a break might be in order.

We are now getting to the point where we have to acknowledge that different people have different expactations of a fun game and that probably each of us has his own personal "screw this then" scenario. It might be that the prevention of my "screw this then" scenario might directly or indirectly trigger his "screw this then" scenario and vice versa. Now how do we deal with it?

In the end we all are standing up for what we believe is the best for the players and the game, knowing that our priorities might alienate someone else from it.

I'm not going to bs you in saying that i wasn't aware of the fact that i endorse a position that screws some people over. Every position screws somebody over.

This is good effort, but not very realistic in dust. The best players in the game sometimes migrate to the most FOTM classes in the game. When the best players go for FOTM, the UP does not win, skilled or no

C'mon dude...

Well. Supporting a position that screws somebody over is not what makes this game better. You just told me to stop playing because there is no help comming my way or for the same people cought in my position. You should be supporting a position that makes ppl want to play, fixing the promblems so people do not get screwed over. Respecs is the answer, telling ppl that they are screwed and should go take a brake, stop playing, is not how you keep your players

Whatever harmful effects respecs might have on the player market that has no ETA and we know nothing about, cannot be used as a valid argument against respecs in the present. Let's look at CCP's history of promises vs fulfillment in regards to Dust, frankly we don't even know that it will be added at this point.

I hope our new EP can grasp that while this game takes place in the EVE universe, it is not EVE, and it plays VASTLY different. While I don't necessarily support full blown respecs, a gradual skill reallocation system would certainly be desirable. As it is, you're expected to understand exactly how your playstyle will be, long before you get the chance to play it, or test the equipment that it requires.

You must invest blindly or through spreadsheets, ultimately theory crafting until you are rewarded with being stuck with the results, like or not.

The problem is that i don't agree that respecs are the answer, that's why we are arguing in the frist place.

CCP has stated earlier that a large part of the development of the market is monitoring player behavior after every intermediate feature is added (donation, isk transfer, later item trade etc.)

Putting respecs into this equation makes the whole thing volatile to no end. A temporary respec phase would invalidate all gathered data and CCP would risk damaging both economies if they merge them based on these false data.

And we know quite a bit about the basic functionality of the market. The planned eve dust connection pretty much predefined a range range of funcionality that will have to be definitely implemented or the feature can be scrapped altogether.

Lastly the market is only mentioned in one of those links iirc. Those are still standing.

I skilled into:

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Nova knives

Shotguns

Plasma cannons

SMGs

Mass drivers

Minmatar scout

Out of all the things I just listed the mass driver is the only thing I can truly say I can depend on at all times because the other gear is A:bugged in someway or B:not powerfull enough to do it's job effectively.

I have not once asked for a respec because of the reasons abovementioned opting to attempt to get the gear balanced, while this is difficult due to much of the gear I choose to use not being 'mainstream' I'd rather a long tearm fix then a short tearm one, this is why I find the recent outcry for respecs due to the coming rebalancing of the flaylock and calldari logi suit humorous seeing as both were being used in unintended ways by those who wanted an unfair advantage and are not being unjustly brought down.

Oh and warning: my grammar sucks

Very rarely do classes that weren't being abused get nerfed hard enough to makes respec necessary

Lets say you were a scout, and you think that with aiming fixes coming in 1.4, you think that the scouts advantage of being hard to hit, well make a big damn uproar for a buff to ease the issue.
Now, lets say you were a CalLogi. If you were using it for what it was supposed to do, while you'll have to sacrifice some tank, you'll not be bothered by the nerf. And if you were dumb enough to spec into it for its mega assault capabilities, not thinking it would be nerfed, then shame on you. Spec into something that is supposed to mega assault, the heavy. Then maybe it can get balanced, cause people used to say it is UP, and I really don't know.

Very rarely do classes that weren't being abused get nerfed hard enough to makes respec necessary.

Unfortionetly classes that are not being abused do get nerfed... in dust. For example, 4 out of 6 of all vehical classes in dust and the HMG. In fact, they are nerfing the very balanced armor tank soon. And not soon tm. Also, specing into something that is UP does not balance the UP class. When has this happened in dust history? It hasent

nope, but CCP can't do small balance patches they only do huge pendulum swings. so whats UP right now, could be crazy OP next patch. and likewise, what's OP will likely be kneecapped with a ball-pein hammer. Live with your choices.

CCP has stated earlier that a large part of the development of the market is monitoring player behavior after every intermediate feature is added (donation, isk transfer, later item trade etc.)

Putting respecs into this equation makes the whole thing volatile to no end. A temporary respec phase would invalidate all gathered data and CCP would risk damaging both economies if they merge them based on these false data.

And we know quite a bit about the basic functionality of the market. The planned eve dust connection pretty much predefined a range range of funcionality that will have to be definitely implemented or the feature can be scrapped altogether.

Lastly the market is only mentioned in one of those links iirc. Those are still standing.

It is not your choices to live with when the DEVs make your choices for you. The choices you make when you spend your SP are invalidated and molested when your class is changed after you speced into it. Its not your choice at that point. Its CCPs

Respecs has solved the balancing promblems before and it is obvious it will fix them again.

Yes, this is a temporary fix but everything in dust seems to be temporary with how balance works in this game. There wont be a game if people dont play, and being unfair is what is pulling people away from dust.

Untill this game has a balance, when things are set in stone and are constant, our skill points should not be constant, it leads to rage, derp, QQ, and no desire to play dust at all. In fact, it leads to ppl telling those afflicted that they should stop playing because their well, simply, screwed. We need an answer, ans the only answer within the next 6 months or even a year is respecs

It's your choice to spend the SP on something that is obviously OP. It's your choice to continue playing after you were invalidated. It's your choice to whine on the forums for a respec that won't come.

It's your choice to spend the SP on something that is obviously OP. It's your choice to continue playing after you were invalidated. It's your choice to whine on the forums for a respec that won't come.

Ah i see, the orginal word was 1.4 and i have unfortionetly been busy so i missed this post. Very good idea, and im greatful you took the time to do this and correct my thread. thanks sir, really sucks that its pushed back tho :/

Opus,

I think you're too optimistic. Given the last 6 months ive played this game, and how little has gone right since the beginning of chromosome. I cannot imagine this game with be balanced before February next year.

Completely balanced? I agree.

There will be a periodic exchange of OP/UP cycles with less and less steep flanks but a state that we could call "properly balanced" will take quite some time. But now that we can be pretty sure that something wen't wrong with CCP Blam! we might see some great steps taken with regards to vehicles/AV in the near future if at least in relative terms.

And this is a matter of personal preference but i perceived Uprising and the later patches as very positive in my experience. Sure much is still broken and the pace of change could be improved but when i grow sick of the game i just take a break and come back when i feel like it.

I think the best approach is to ask oneself "is it fun?" and whenever the answer is "no" step aside and do things you enjoy. Did it a few times already and it really helps keep the distance.