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Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:05:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Grief PK wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using? Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table? Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items? Are these serious questions or troll? That is one of the people that was chosen to represent you and your ideas...no offense
I am offended, that this guy has any say in a game I hope will be better then it is now. |
Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:08:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Balance issues are part of every game throughout its entire life cycle. There is never a game that is 100% balanced 100% of the time. We know this so why weigh it so heavily in the argument.
The reality is that its about time. Balance aside, when I respect I am not respecing SP, I am respecing hundreds of hours of my life. So knowing that balance will always be ... out of balance. Allow players to ebbe and flow with it instead of feeling caged by their SP and their by devaluing the hours of their life spent earning it. yes, because everyone should only ever run what is FOTM. all others are scrubs and "nonn factors" right?
I don't know what you are getting at here. I disagree strongly that just because you respec you will go FOTM. If i respec'd right now I would go a heavy because I have never fired a heavy machine gun because I am to busy putting everything I have into shotguns.
Sure there will always be FOTM chasers, but they are there no matter what. You can not stop them so lets not destroy the game for everyone else in the hopes we stifle the FOTM folks. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
650
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:09:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Grief PK wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using? Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table? Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items? Are these serious questions or troll? That is one of the people that was chosen to represent you and your ideas...no offense I am offended, that this guy has any say in a game I hope will be better then it is now.
he may make mistakes, but i like IWS. he does alot for us and really trys to make our dust experience better |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:11:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Grief PK wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Grief PK wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using? Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table? Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items? Are these serious questions or troll? That is one of the people that was chosen to represent you and your ideas...no offense I am offended, that this guy has any say in a game I hope will be better then it is now. he may make mistakes, but i like IWS. he does alot for us and really trys to make our dust experience better
and he is in a group of how many? you know as well as I do maple it was a popularity contest |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:12:00 -
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"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:13:00 -
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Its more than jus popularity, the evidence is there he does do alot for us. I dont agree with all of his ideas and sometimes he deffenetly derps out but its okay in my book. He would be more popular with me if hed post up his oppinion on respecs or some meaningful news in this thread |
Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:15:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots.
I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:16:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots.
Things will get better and more balanced as time passes, 1.2 is a balance patch and that is progress. And in the progress of the balance ppl will get nerfed and the FOTM class will kill them even worse. So, if your able to respec you can spec into that FOTM class or more idealy, a more balanced class and repeat the process untill dust is more roundly balanced. That, keeps ppl happy and playing |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:17:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Its more than jus popularity, the evidence is there he does do alot for us. I dont agree with all of his ideas and sometimes he deffenetly derps out but its okay in my book. He would be more popular with me if hed post up his oppinion on respecs or some meaningful news in this thread
If it puts a position in jeopardy, it will not likely happen. He seems like a cool dude, but looking at the respect debate as if it is BS, nothing, will go away, or as a matter that is not serious, is not the way to approach the topic.
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:18:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands.
no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback?
And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game. |
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Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:19:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. Things will get better and more balanced as time passes, 1.2 is a balance patch and that is progress. And in the progress of the balance ppl will get nerfed and the FOTM class will kill them even worse. So, if your able to respec you can spec into that FOTM class or more idealy, a more balanced class and repeat the process untill dust is more roundly balanced. That, keeps ppl happy and playing
And then your choices mattering? that doesn't actually mean ****, since you can completely change your choices whenever you want. |
Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:20:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game.
Again, I disagree, the only way we can find out is to try. To not try leaves the power in the FOTM folks more so then the risk of failure. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
42
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:20:00 -
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exmaple. i respect you so im not trolling, however, i disagree with you.
1) after the last respec, they were pretty fair in telling us that things are still changing and to invest wisely because there will not be another.
2) this game will constantly evolve, it will never be fully balanced... why?? because when it finally starts getting fully balanced, CCP will add a new dynamic whether it comes in the version of a skill or the version of a weapon... and this will all start up again about how people should get a rebalance.
3) choose your skills solely on what YOU like to to not on what is the best at the time that you can get the best k/d with... that way, even nerfed, you still have fun and know that sooner or later you will be back on top when a new game dynamic is added or a new balance is brought.
its like the huge amount of people that dumped SP into the flaylock, most of them didnt choose the flaylock because they thought it would fit their playstyle, they dumped huge amounts of SP into to benefit their k/d...
so far, this id from observation, the only people who really care about respec from a 1st hand perspective, are those who chose to dump SP in a fitting solely to increase their k/d... those who dropped SP into what they like to do i.e. minnie logi, dropships, shotty scouts, etc dont seem to have a problem
so... did you? or those whom you speak of really invest the SP into the gear and equipment that fits their individual play style? or did they just choose the most powerful at the time?
and this time, they would have learned the nature of CCP and how dynamics and mechanics of a CCP game will change and evolve constantly... yet they still invested 15 mil sp?
also just a side note. i still have yet to see a class that, as a whole, is underpowered or sucks |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
650
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:21:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game.
It will take months and months, years and years+ to put one suit and gun in line. It took sence the start of uprising to get the flaylock and contact grenades balance patch (1.3) to come out! We need something in the mean time to keep people here while their classes become ruined. Look on these forums, ppl are leaving because they dont want to be a non factor due to nerfed classes. If they can get out of it when its nerfed theyl stay. Then 6 months down the road they can skill back into it or something else when its fixed |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:22:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game.
75% of the game including myself already runs the FOTM... the OP AR
so what does it matter if they get a respect for THEIR time invested.... They didn't ask for a NERF.. or give them back what they invested in, whatever it may be. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
407
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:23:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game. Again, I disagree, the only way we can find out is to try. To not try leaves the power in the FOTM folks more so then the risk of failure.
Really? how? since they are taking away the FOTM's power? or are you just uninformed? flaylocks, contact nades, and the callogi are all taking nerfs. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
241
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:23:00 -
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FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents |
Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:25:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents
How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month? |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
42
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:27:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents
this |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
650
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:27:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:exmaple. i respect you so im not trolling, however, i disagree with you.
1) after the last respec, they were pretty fair in telling us that things are still changing and to invest wisely because there will not be another.
2) this game will constantly evolve, it will never be fully balanced... why?? because when it finally starts getting fully balanced, CCP will add a new dynamic whether it comes in the version of a skill or the version of a weapon... and this will all start up again about how people should get a rebalance.
3) choose your skills solely on what YOU like to to not on what is the best at the time that you can get the best k/d with... that way, even nerfed, you still have fun and know that sooner or later you will be back on top when a new game dynamic is added or a new balance is brought.
its like the huge amount of people that dumped SP into the flaylock, most of them didnt choose the flaylock because they thought it would fit their playstyle, they dumped huge amounts of SP into to benefit their k/d...
so far, this id from observation, the only people who really care about respec from a 1st hand perspective, are those who chose to dump SP in a fitting solely to increase their k/d... those who dropped SP into what they like to do i.e. minnie logi, dropships, shotty scouts, etc dont seem to have a problem
so... did you? or those whom you speak of really invest the SP into the gear and equipment that fits their individual play style? or did they just choose the most powerful at the time?
and this time, they would have learned the nature of CCP and how dynamics and mechanics of a CCP game will change and evolve constantly... yet they still invested 15 mil sp?
also just a side note. i still have yet to see a class that, as a whole, is underpowered or sucks
That is a very easy question to answer, some people only enjoy the most OP class in the game. Others, like myself, enjoy every balanced class in the game because i am (we are) good enough to get the class to work and destroy everyone in the game, no matter what class/fit were using... as long as its balanced. When our classes that we are now, currently balanced, are nerfed the next day to uselessness we dont want to play dust at all anymore because there is simply no recovering that 15 mill SP we invested into something that we did once enjoy. We need the ability to get out of the shiet storm we are put in and play /something/ that we enjoy. Yeah, we cant play our favorite nerfed class but there are other classes out there that we can enjoy and compete in |
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Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
42
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:28:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month?
if you like to blow **** up, then get a ******* mass driver and some remote explosives... if you like to head shot people, get a sniper rifle... simple |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:28:00 -
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Grief PK wrote:dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month?
this |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
408
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:29:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote: That is a very easy question to answer, some people only enjoy the most OP class in the game. Others, like myself, enjoy every balanced class in the game because i am (we are) good enough to get the class to work and destroy everyone in the game, no matter what class/fit were using... as long as its balanced. When our classes that we are now, currently balanced, are nerfed the next day to uselessness we dont want to play dust at all anymore because there is simply no recovering that 15 mill SP we invested into something that we did once enjoy. We need the ability to get out of the shiet storm we are put in and play /something/ that we enjoy. Yeah, we cant play our favorite nerfed class but there are other classes out there that we can enjoy and compete in
So, you stop playing something when it gets weak, and play it only when it's strong.
FOTM chaser spotted, 200 meters, opening fire. GOD-damned missiles! go straight for more than 40 feet! |
Grief PK
DUST University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:31:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Grief PK wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:"There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality.
That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game. Again, I disagree, the only way we can find out is to try. To not try leaves the power in the FOTM folks more so then the risk of failure. Really? how? since they are taking away the FOTM's power? or are you just uninformed? flaylocks, contact nades, and the callogi are all taking nerfs.
You want new content right? The only people screaming louder then the people being ground into dust by flaylock pistols are the people demanding new content because they are bored. Flaylocks are new content... when they are balanced the 'NEW CONTENT!!!" chanting will pick up again and something else will be added to the game that requires balancing. That balance will take several months, whereby we start the process all over.
The point being that there is never a point where things reach 'balance', its the nature of game development. So knowing that, how do we keep the average joe playing so there is still enough player base to keep the whole cycle turning?
You give people flexibility to roll with the punches ... you say 'sorry for the inconvenient punches, but here is a way to make it hurt less and please keep having fun and paying money' |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
127
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:32:00 -
[205] - Quote
Stands Alone wrote:Grief PK wrote:dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month? if you like to blow **** up, then get a ******* mass driver and some remote explosives... if you like to head shot people, get a sniper rifle... simple
No, not so simple. 6 months down the line, the basic functions of whatever you choose could change. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:33:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Stands Alone wrote:exmaple. i respect you so im not trolling, however, i disagree with you.
1) after the last respec, they were pretty fair in telling us that things are still changing and to invest wisely because there will not be another.
2) this game will constantly evolve, it will never be fully balanced... why?? because when it finally starts getting fully balanced, CCP will add a new dynamic whether it comes in the version of a skill or the version of a weapon... and this will all start up again about how people should get a rebalance.
3) choose your skills solely on what YOU like to to not on what is the best at the time that you can get the best k/d with... that way, even nerfed, you still have fun and know that sooner or later you will be back on top when a new game dynamic is added or a new balance is brought.
its like the huge amount of people that dumped SP into the flaylock, most of them didnt choose the flaylock because they thought it would fit their playstyle, they dumped huge amounts of SP into to benefit their k/d...
so far, this id from observation, the only people who really care about respec from a 1st hand perspective, are those who chose to dump SP in a fitting solely to increase their k/d... those who dropped SP into what they like to do i.e. minnie logi, dropships, shotty scouts, etc dont seem to have a problem
so... did you? or those whom you speak of really invest the SP into the gear and equipment that fits their individual play style? or did they just choose the most powerful at the time?
and this time, they would have learned the nature of CCP and how dynamics and mechanics of a CCP game will change and evolve constantly... yet they still invested 15 mil sp?
also just a side note. i still have yet to see a class that, as a whole, is underpowered or sucks That is a very easy question to answer, some people only enjoy the most OP class in the game. Others, like myself, enjoy every balanced class in the game because i am (we are) good enough to get the class to work and destroy everyone in the game, no matter what class/fit were using... as long as its balanced. When our classes that we are now, currently balanced, are nerfed the next day to uselessness we dont want to play dust at all anymore because there is simply no recovering that 15 mill SP we invested into something that we did once enjoy. We need the ability to get out of the shiet storm we are put in and play /something/ that we enjoy. Yeah, we cant play our favorite nerfed class but there are other classes out there that we can enjoy and compete in
I think the approach people are taking on this subject is backwards. People are upset with people wanting a respect, but are not upset that CCP made the things OP in the first place, knowing that mass amounts of people will spec into them. Than when the items get nerfed... laugh and taunt the people that invested countless hours into a game. If the nerf came a week after the mistakes was made, that would had been cool, but they wait MONTHS and base their NERFS on QQing...... |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:33:00 -
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and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:34:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Grief PK wrote:dustwaffle wrote:FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play.
Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats)
Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi .......
What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role.
My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month? this If you spread out your SP into even 2 classes you are not mono tasking. You will not be in any serious involvement in dust and the best corps will not talk to you other than the i killed you mails they send. The DEVs encourage mono specing and becoming very efficent in one class so you can contribute to a team. If you spread out your sp, you are nothing. Mono specing is how dust is supposed to be played and is how corps are seccessful, because they are a collection of players who mono speced into a class who work together to contribute their specific roles as a team. If you can do everything, but are not particulary good at anything, you are a bad player. Sadly, of late, the good players who mono speced like they should be doing, have been getting nerfed so they are just as bad and worthless |
Mintqueer
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:34:00 -
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Respecs are needed. CCP doesn't likes them. FoTM will occur always. QQs and more QQs. Downward population trend... Nerf announcement. Respecs petitions. Downward population trend... CCP makes a SoonTM announcement. Downward population trend... Holy Sh*t Fail Cascade ahead.
Please ignore this non-factor game |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:35:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation. truth |
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