You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks

Run free fits for fun until you can pretend that you're an athlete again.

Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using?
Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table?
Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items?

Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using?
Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table?
Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items?

You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks

Cause we all know balance is months and months away... Iike it always has been for dust.

When it comes to corps... If you want to be competitive in PC you can't run terrible builds just cause you're a special snowflake. Most corps would probably tell him "Exmaple... You're a beast tanker. And when tanks become viable again next February we would love to run you again, but until then we need another assault on the field."

Once we've reached some semblance of balance, respecs won't be necessary. But the people on this forum are dellusional if they think we are balanced now or will be balanced by the end of the year.

FOTM is a symptom of bad balance, not of the ability to respec.

Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using?
Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table?
Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items?

Hmm, but if it was properly balanced and fair, then why would it get a nerf or buff?

To be fair, plasma cannon was always bad.

Laser nerf was pretty much just the viziam, otherwise the guns major change was just the iron sights. Which DID make it, in effect, a nerf...but technically it isnt. (and anyways, they are adding the red dot sight back to lasers which will bring back the melting of faces)

I dunno, my HMG was nerfed into a shorter range then a shotgun with worse dispersion than an SMG...my forge gun was never correctly registering direct and splash radius hits for months, strafe speed was increased but they still left me fat and slow to turn... yet i still had fun.

maybe I'm just a rare breed that enjoys the game i play, even through the rough patches.

Hmm, but if it was properly balanced and fair, then why would it get a nerf or buff?

To be fair, plasma cannon was always bad.

Laser nerf was pretty much just the viziam, otherwise the guns major change was just the iron sights. Which DID make it, in effect, a nerf...but technically it isnt. (and anyways, they are adding the red dot sight back to lasers which will bring back the melting of faces)

I dunno, my HMG was nerfed into a shorter range then a shotgun with worse dispersion than an SMG...my forge gun was never correctly registering direct and splash radius hits for months, strafe speed was increased but they still left me fat and slow to turn... yet i still had fun.

maybe I'm just a rare breed that enjoys the game i play, even through the rough patches.

Once we've reached some semblance of balance, respecs won't be necessary. But the people on this forum are dellusional if they think we are balanced now or will be balanced by the end of the year.

FOTM is a symptom of bad balance, not of the ability to respec.

I humbly disagree.

FOTM is a symptom of both bad balance and respecs, imo.

Bad balance is the drug.

Respecs are the drug dealers.

Probably the same reason why even after my optional respec, went back into the Mass Driver, which was bugged, and Minmatar logi, which was lumped up with the CaLogi during everyone's nerf witch hunt. It's something you find fun, like doing, and you have faith in the developers that they'll make things right. If everyone cared more about being effective than having fun, we'd all be running around in shield tanking suits and ARs.

Exmaple Core, I've been in the same boat you're in now. Not just with Dust or EVE, but in a lot of online games. Some of us are too stubborn to take the road less traveled with hopes that it pays off in the end. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, there's no guarantee. The only thing you can really do is think of the good times, or dream of the possible good times around the corner. If you decide to do anything that matters- don't give up. Whether it's too expensive, underpowered, or your peers don't respect what you do, find a way to keep things going- keep the faith and do it because it's what you like doing.

"Adapt or Die..."

So if we had a perfectly balanced game and unlimited respecs... There would still be FOTM chasing?

Dunno! this is what happens though, has all the time. But its not about nerfing a class into uselessness now and fixing them 6 months later. Its about having your class ruined and not having a reason to play for the next 6 months, as youve been swindled out of your SP. So, your entitled to respecs

There is no perfectly balanced game of this complexity. We could argue with fairies aswell by that standard.

There is no perfectly balanced game of this complexity. We could argue with fairies aswell by that standard.

So if we had a perfectly balanced game and unlimited respecs... There would still be FOTM chasing?

Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using?
Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table?
Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items?

That hypothetical is a matter of opinion.

One side of the coin will say "the game is perfectly balanced, so you don't need respecs"

The other side "the game is perfectly balance, so whats the harm in respecs?"

Isn't 1.4 supposed to be some massive shakeup?

How are we supposed to plan for the future when we have absolutely no idea what is changing.

:/

Point still stands no? Yes reality is we will never have perfect balancing, but get close enough and 'fotm chasing' will be indistinguishable from play style preference.

Isn't 1.4 supposed to be some massive shakeup?

How are we supposed to plan for the future when we have absolutely no idea what is changing.

:/