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Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2013.07.29 05:57:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using? Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table? Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items? Are these serious questions or troll?
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:02:00 - [2] - Quote Balance issues are part of every game throughout its entire life cycle. There is never a game that is 100% balanced 100% of the time. We know this so why weigh it so heavily in the argument. The reality is that its about time. Balance aside, when I respect I am not respecing SP, I am respecing hundreds of hours of my life. So knowing that balance will always be ... out of balance. Allow players to ebbe and flow with it instead of feeling caged by their SP and their by devaluing the hours of their life spent earning it.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:04:00 - [3] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: lowratehitman wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: lowratehitman wrote: I have basically stopped playing the game, and doing videos. The whole experience has been a waste of many moons of grinding SP. This community I have found out is not who you know but who you blow.... Too many "big chiefs" running around with titles that I NEVER NEVER see in the game, yet represent our best interests..... I do not believe the forums are even related to the actual game anymore, or the interest of the daily player Sad to see you go lowrate, I think a lot of us are right behind you... Post QFT... All so pathetically true. I still get on perhaps 1-2 hr per week vs the 40+ hrs a weeks I was sinking into the game. I have not and will not spend anymore money on boosters or anything like that, and have not for awhile now. Same, Oceania afk farming till cap... Then a few PC matches.. And that's it. But I'm sadly struggling to even afk farm anymore... Haven't bought a merc pack since chrome... I think if they fix afk farming pubmatches we will loose a huge amount of the weekly player base. It just wont be worth the time sink to spend the hours into permanent skill tree.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:05:00 - [4] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Grief PK wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Why did you constantly put more skill levels into an item you hate using? Then why are you hanging out with a corp that doesn't appreciate what you bring to the table? Then why are you wasting your energy asking for a respec instead of asking for balance to include missing items? Are these serious questions or troll? That is one of the people that was chosen to represent you and your ideas...no offense I am offended, that this guy has any say in a game I hope will be better then it is now.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:08:00 - [5] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Grief PK wrote: Balance issues are part of every game throughout its entire life cycle. There is never a game that is 100% balanced 100% of the time. We know this so why weigh it so heavily in the argument. The reality is that its about time. Balance aside, when I respect I am not respecing SP, I am respecing hundreds of hours of my life. So knowing that balance will always be ... out of balance. Allow players to ebbe and flow with it instead of feeling caged by their SP and their by devaluing the hours of their life spent earning it. yes, because everyone should only ever run what is FOTM. all others are scrubs and "nonn factors" right? I don't know what you are getting at here. I disagree strongly that just because you respec you will go FOTM. If i respec'd right now I would go a heavy because I have never fired a heavy machine gun because I am to busy putting everything I have into shotguns. Sure there will always be FOTM chasers, but they are there no matter what. You can not stop them so lets not destroy the game for everyone else in the hopes we stifle the FOTM folks.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:15:00 - [6] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: "There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality. That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:20:00 - [7] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Grief PK wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: "There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality. That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game. Again, I disagree, the only way we can find out is to try. To not try leaves the power in the FOTM folks more so then the risk of failure.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:25:00 - [8] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play. Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats) Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi ....... What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role. My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month?
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 25	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:31:00 - [9] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Grief PK wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Grief PK wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: "There will always be FOTM chasers" They're called about 90% of the population of any given FPS, probably more in dust with the EVE "any advantage I can take" mentality. That is what will destroy the game, you'll go from a myriad selection of suits, guns, and vehicles to one of each, kitted out exactly the same. Unless you want to outright lose every fight you're in since every time the balance changes, the majority of the game switches to whatever's OP. You can only dodge so many flaylock shots. I disagree, whole heartedly. I believe CCP should take a chance, if you are correct they will know within a month and change it back no harm done. If you are incorrect we could have a phenomenal new game on our hands. no they won't. they are already getting HUGE backlash and people demanding respecs right now over putting one suit and gun in line. Imagine the shitstorm if they took out a month's worth of SP in a rollback? And it's human nature to want to win. that doesn't change. It's why I know that so much of the playerbase will flock to the statistical "best" items and fits in the game. Again, I disagree, the only way we can find out is to try. To not try leaves the power in the FOTM folks more so then the risk of failure. Really? how? since they are taking away the FOTM's power? or are you just uninformed? flaylocks, contact nades, and the callogi are all taking nerfs. You want new content right? The only people screaming louder then the people being ground into dust by flaylock pistols are the people demanding new content because they are bored. Flaylocks are new content... when they are balanced the 'NEW CONTENT!!!" chanting will pick up again and something else will be added to the game that requires balancing. That balance will take several months, whereby we start the process all over. The point being that there is never a point where things reach 'balance', its the nature of game development. So knowing that, how do we keep the average joe playing so there is still enough player base to keep the whole cycle turning? You give people flexibility to roll with the punches ... you say 'sorry for the inconvenient punches, but here is a way to make it hurt less and please keep having fun and paying money'
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:40:00 - [10] - Quote Mintqueer wrote: Respecs are needed. CCP doesn't likes them. FoTM will occur always. QQs and more QQs. Downward population trend... Nerf announcement. Respecs petitions. Downward population trend... CCP makes a SoonTM announcement. Downward population trend... Holy Sh*t Fail Cascade ahead. Please ignore this non-factor game Many a game has fallen in this spiral. I hope dust can pull out of it.

Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:41:00 - [11] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation. truth so then you agree that respecs are a bad idea? Everyone is paying good money... everyone gets a trophy ... cuz you paid for it. Now if you are more adept at hitting other kids over the head with that trophy then the other guy... you get a good k/d ratio. But the trophy is paid for ...
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:42:00 - [12] - Quote dday3six wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation. The real question is how are people suppose to judge the consequneces of their choices their don't have all the info. In the time it takes a player to spec into a PRO suit for example, the bonuses and stats on said suit could very well be completely different. Under those circumstances (not directly speaking to current issues with Callogi, but more the future) can you really blame players for feeling a sense of "buyer's remorse"? Buyers remorse is a REALLY good way of putting it.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:43:00 - [13] - Quote dday3six wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Grief PK wrote: dustwaffle wrote: FOTM is common in games which allow for customizable fittings, especially when skillpoints/experience points come into play. Such games will always be rebalanced over and over while FOTM would still occur with each rebalance pass, since it is virtually impossible to properly balance everything equally (unless they just made all the suits have the same slots, bonuses etc. and all the weapons have the same stats) Allowing for unlimited respecs just means most people will put all their points into something that's 'optimal' for each rebalancing CCP does, which kills diversity in the game. 1.0 -> Cal logi TAR 1.1 -> Cal logi flaylock 1.2 -> Cal logi ....... What can players do to avoid feeling they've been screwed over? Well, spec into something that you find fun to play with. Don't specialize too much into one role, unless you really really really enjoy that role, otherwise you'll be shooting yourself in that role. My 2 cents How do you know you enjoy the role if you are a new player... how do you know you will enjoy the role in 6 months or even 1 month? if you like to blow ** up, then get a ***** mass driver and some remote explosives... if you like to head shot people, get a sniper rifle... simple No, not so simple. 6 months down the line, the basic functions of whatever you choose could change. ^this
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:44:00 - [14] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: "paid for"? Free game. You need to run that one by CCP, see if they are making it for free or not.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:45:00 - [15] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Grief PK wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: and then one of the huge things for this game goes right out the window. Your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. without consequence, choice is meaningless. its like handing out trophies to all the kids for participation. truth so then you agree that respecs are a bad idea? Everyone is paying good money... everyone gets a trophy ... cuz you paid for it. Now if you are more adept at hitting other kids over the head with that trophy then the other guy... you get a good k/d ratio. But the trophy is paid for ... No, he said your choices mean nothing if they have no permanence. When we make our choices, we expect our class to be permanent the way we skilled into them. When they are changed, nerfed, it is no longer our choice. Its CCPs I am agreeing with you.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2013.07.29 06:51:00 - [16] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: If you spread out your SP into even 2 classes you are not mono tasking. You will not be in any serious involvement in dust and the best corps will not talk to you other than the i killed you mails they send. The DEVs encourage mono specing and becoming very efficent in one class so you can contribute to a team. If you spread out your sp, you are nothing. Mono specing is how dust is supposed to be played and is how corps are seccessful, because they are a collection of players who mono speced into a class who work together to contribute their specific roles as a team. If you can do everything, but are not particulary good at anything, you are a bad player. Sadly, of late, the good players who mono speced like they should be doing, have been getting nerfed so they are just as bad and worthless[/quote] [/quote]You are right... and one of the main pitches for the game was.... Design YOUR suite how you WANT... not based around nerfs.[/quote] what does this even mean? [/quote]Until balance is created... which balance can INDEED be created, than the option to get a full or partial respect should be available to those that a nerf hammer has affected.[/quote] dont pick a weapon or suit that is obviously out of balance and being over-used then [/quote] Not much was obviously getting nerfed when it happened. No one expected lazers to get nerfed THAT hard, we were promised a nerf that would grant balance and it was not delivered. The hmg needed a small nerf and it suffers now. The vehicals of all classes got royaly fuc ked with their nerf that was very uncalled for. There was no way of telling these nerf hammers would have been so severe and in some cases, even happen at all when you first speced into it[/quote] ... and the only thing harder to get fixed then unbalanced new content is unbalanced nerfed content ... none of those things are going backing onto the balance 'to-do' list for CCP. So in essence Lasers are historical content for Dust, put them in display cases and bubble wrap. So if your toon was 100% laser based and you just don't want to spend another 400 hours grinding something else ... go head and put your account in bubble wrap too.
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.07.29 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Once we've reached some semblance of balance, respecs won't be necessary. But the people on this forum are dellusional if they think we are balanced now or will be balanced by the end of the year. FOTM is a symptom of bad balance, not of the ability to respec. I humbly disagree. FOTM is a symptom of both bad balance and respecs, imo. Bad balance is the drug. Respecs are the drug dealers. SO who exactly is dealing these bad drugs atm? because there are no respects and the drug is out there
Grief PK DUST University Ivy League 30	Posted - 2013.07.29 17:50:00 - [18] - Quote Almost 300 post in a single night, over 1500 views in that same night ... I bet we put a big spike in CCP's forum statistics tracking! Are you checking the numbers CCP, the community is telling you something!