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One Eyed King wrote:

voidfaction wrote:

Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:

voidfaction wrote:

Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:

Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"?

Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them.

Active scanner range nerf is on the hotfix backlog.
https://trello.com/b/bfGqdj7S/ccp-rattati-s-big-board-of-things
Not to mention killing my cloaked gal logi fit with removing the logi cloak fitting bonus.

Range nerf wont do it.

Its imperative for any good squad or PC team to have a Gal logi for perma scan because of the HUGE advantage it gives you, not to mention the combat viability it has.

The last time there was a suit like that (Cal Scout), it was nerfed into the ground.

The perma scan meta has to go. Its silly.

I don't have problems with scanners. I accept I should not be hidden from everything with no risk.
my only problem with active scanners.
flux having the widest angle and 200m (should not be more than 150m). I think the longer the scan range the more narrow the angle should be.
proximity should have the widest angle with its 60m range.
focused should be 50m with narrow angle
The db does not bother me as a scout it is the range at which they can scan that bothers me.

If only I remembered High School geometry, someone could figure out total scan area in square meters. That might be a good way to make some comparisons.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22824	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:20:00 - [31471] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Scan angle is ultimately irrelevant while spin scanning still exists. Think this might require a KB/M now. Haerr switched to DS3. Need someone else to test. Kaeru runs KB/M, right? I have tested 360 scans and can confirm they still exist with KB/M. Most scanning discussions are utterly broken because of this one ability. 360 scans break any semblance of balance almost regardless of the other stats. EDIT: Regarding your edit, supply depots aren't really such a concern. You can permarun scanners without a supply depot if you fit several of them (although honestly if you're fitting four proto EQ on a specialised logi I'm slightly less pissed about you have strong scans) and if you -are- using a supply depot for the scanning, it tethers you to it. That's not really such a concern if you're using 200m scanners but it does reduce your tactical usefulness in other ways. Still, they probably shouldn't restore capacitor. Although I wonder if fixing this would affect restocking nanohives and suchlike... Gallente Guide
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8609	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:21:00 - [31472] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Let he who has no sin throw the first stone. Grenades or REs are better, of course. What kind of pleb throws a mere stone in this day and age? Throws Potato at Arkena YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT I didn't realize that you were sinless. Or that potatoes are an exception to the rule. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2653	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:21:00 - [31473] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Are you going to accuse me of only getting my W/L and K/D from pure MLT stomping? I am. Get good and lose scrub. People find this this review helpful!
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10659	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:24:00 - [31474] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Let he who has no sin throw the first stone. Grenades or REs are better, of course. What kind of pleb throws a mere stone in this day and age? Throws Potato at Arkena YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT I didn't realize that you were sinless. Or that potatoes are an exception to the rule. Arkena chucked the first potato ages ago. So its cool. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7781	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:24:00 - [31475] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Scan angle is ultimately irrelevant while spin scanning still exists. Think this might require a KB/M now. Haerr switched to DS3. Need someone else to test. Kaeru runs KB/M, right? I have tested 360 scans and can confirm they still exist with KB/M. Most scanning discussions are utterly broken because of this one ability. 360 scans break any semblance of balance almost regardless of the other stats. Crud! But good to know. Ideas on how to fix this? The original fix (snapshot?) set scan cycle at 0.3 seconds (if I recall correctly). Any ideas why they didn't drop it 0.1? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22824	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:25:00 - [31476] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: These last few posts are literally the definition of "Ad Hominem" I at least edited my post. Why do people in this thread like editing posts as if they didn't happen? glares at Adipem I came here for a forum war and a forum war I'll get. You are all biased scout scrublords. Fight me. Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7781	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:25:00 - [31477] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I didn't realize that you were sinless. :: Looks around the bar for saints :: Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 239	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:26:00 - [31478] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Scan angle is ultimately irrelevant while spin scanning still exists. Think this might require a KB/M now. Haerr switched to DS3. Need someone else to test. Kaeru runs KB/M, right? I have tested 360 scans and can confirm they still exist with KB/M. Most scanning discussions are utterly broken because of this one ability. 360 scans break any semblance of balance almost regardless of the other stats. Crud! But good to know. Ideas on how to fix this? The original fix (snapshot?) set scan cycle at 0.3 seconds (if I recall correctly). Any ideas why they didn't drop it 0.1? It wouldn't open up to the full angle. Also reason why the proxy scanner isn't used: it doesn't open up all the way by the time it closes. Also why the flux is so vastly superior to all other scanners. Silly, silly design. BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 239	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:27:00 - [31479] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I didn't realize that you were sinless. :: Looks around the bar for saints :: Sneaks up behind Shotty and knifes him BRB, looking for socks Asslut Rifles OP, anal now I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22824	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:28:00 - [31480] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Scan angle is ultimately irrelevant while spin scanning still exists. Think this might require a KB/M now. Haerr switched to DS3. Need someone else to test. Kaeru runs KB/M, right? I have tested 360 scans and can confirm they still exist with KB/M. Most scanning discussions are utterly broken because of this one ability. 360 scans break any semblance of balance almost regardless of the other stats. Crud! But good to know. Ideas on how to fix this? The original fix (snapshot?) set scan cycle at 0.3 seconds (if I recall correctly). Any ideas why they didn't drop it 0.1? 0.1 won't fix it either. It needs to be a snapshot mechanic rather than a duration mechanic. I have successfully set up a macro on my mouse to do four spins even in the 0.3 second time period. 0.1 would make it less reliable under lag but it also opens up that issue with normal usage and still doesn't fix the problem. Unfortunately we don't seem to have the coding resources for this. Also, I'm pretty certain that this practise is very widespread. I know a number of people who use this technique and I also know for certain that some pubstomp squads I've been in refuse to run without using it. Gallente Guide

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7781	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:28:00 - [31481] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: These last few posts are literally the definition of "Ad Hominem" I at least edited my post. Why do people in this thread like editing posts as if they didn't happen? glares at Adipem I came here for a forum war and a forum war I'll get. You are all biased scout scrublords. Fight me. I edit like 90% my posts since my last vacation. Always re-read them to make sure I'm not coming across as hostile. Accidentally come across as hostile very often ... Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22824	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:29:00 - [31482] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: It wouldn't open up to the full angle. Also reason why the proxy scanner isn't used: it doesn't open up all the way by the time it closes. Also why the flux is so vastly superior to all other scanners. Silly, silly design. Irrelevant. The angle is only an animation displayed on the minimap. As someone who tried desperately to love the proxy scanner, I can assure you that it scanned people outside the displayed moving angle numerous times. People don't use the proxy scanner because it's awful compared to the other scanners available. Gallente Guide
FLAYLOCK Steve Kinsho Swords Caldari State 510	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:29:00 - [31483] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I didn't realize that you were sinless. :: Looks around the bar for saints :: Sneaks up behind Shotty and knifes him baits shotty, I placed a RE, blows you up mid knife
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8610	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:30:00 - [31484] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I didn't realize that you were sinless. :: Looks around the bar for saints :: It was implied by his potato throwing, plus his comment. I hope Spade doesn't take exception to potato throwing. I hear potatoes are like sacred cows over there, almost as much as beer. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:31:00 - [31485] - Quote SCRs everyone after 360 scanning This has been my most high scoring tactic since 1.5. (Apart from the Minassault, have gotten some really good scores with that pre-Echo.) Gallente Guide
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:32:00 - [31486] - Quote Rebellious potato farmers, all of them. You shouldn't care about Spade's feelings. Gallente Guide
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2653	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:33:00 - [31487] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You are all biased scout scrublords. Fight me. Okay. Smashes bottle Quote: :: Looks around the bar for saints :: I'm right here, what are you, blind? People find this this review helpful!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:35:00 - [31488] - Quote FALSE PROPHET ... you don't worship my civ 5 religion. (I always name mine British Hegemony, btw.) Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7783	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:36:00 - [31489] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 0.1 won't fix it either. It needs to be a snapshot mechanic rather than a duration mechanic. I have successfully set up a macro on my mouse to do four spins even in the 0.3 second time period. 0.1 would make it less reliable under lag but it also opens up that issue with normal usage and still doesn't fix the problem. Unfortunately we don't seem to have the coding resources for this. Also, I'm pretty certain that this practise is very widespread. I know a number of people who use this technique and I also know for certain that some pubstomp squads I've been in refuse to run without using it. ^ Idea: If target pinged > X% scan cycle (0.3sec) Then display return Else do not display return (paint the target for more-or-less the duration of scan cycle, otherwise returns are not shown) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1288	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:38:00 - [31490] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: voidfaction wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: voidfaction wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Also, does anyone find it funny that when a scout has squad sharing perma scan out to 60 meters by sacrificing his entire fit, and having 0 combat viability, its "OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground", but when a Logi does it while stacking plates and shields out to 200 meters and shares with the entire team, "its underpowered, skillful, and needed to defend against the OP scouts"? Even now, people are complaining about scout passives, which are gimmicky to say the best of them. Active scanner range nerf is on the hotfix backlog. https://trello.com/b/bfGqdj7S/ccp-rattati-s-big-board-of-things Not to mention killing my cloaked gal logi fit with removing the logi cloak fitting bonus. Range nerf wont do it. Its imperative for any good squad or PC team to have a Gal logi for perma scan because of the HUGE advantage it gives you, not to mention the combat viability it has. The last time there was a suit like that (Cal Scout), it was nerfed into the ground. The perma scan meta has to go. Its silly. I don't have problems with scanners. I accept I should not be hidden from everything with no risk. my only problem with active scanners. flux having the widest angle and 200m (should not be more than 150m). I think the longer the scan range the more narrow the angle should be. proximity should have the widest angle with its 60m range. focused should be 50m with narrow angle The db does not bother me as a scout it is the range at which they can scan that bothers me. If only I remembered High School geometry, someone could figure out total scan area in square meters. That might be a good way to make some comparisons. Sorry, I only made it to intro algebra 2 and only passed due to smart girl sitting beside me. noi¦Ü+ö+Æßû+(V)Fac¦Üion

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:38:00 - [31491] - Quote Faux code ftw. Who knows if that would work? One thing worth noting though - scanners are actually quite glitchy. You can sort of override this by 360 doomscanning everything but they function iffily at times if you don't spin them. Sometimes even if you do spin them, but I'm a lot less inclined for sympathy then. Any solution ought to be tested so we end up with a robust function that works as intended. Then we can have a discussion about scanners that isn't mostly invalidated by bugs or broken mechanics. Gallente Guide
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2653	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:39:00 - [31492] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: FALSE PROPHET ... you don't worship my civ 5 religion. (I always name mine British Hegemony, btw.) Your religion won't last. Soon your people will be wearing my Aztec brand of blue jeans and listening to my pop music. People find this this review helpful!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:42:00 - [31493] - Quote On the topic of calculating scan areas, jesus, it isn't rocket science. My hamster could probably do it, and he's dead. All you need to know is this: A=-Çr^2 r is your radius of your circle which is your scan range. Then, you multiply the result by angle/360. So, in the case of the creo flux, A = 90/360-Ç200^2 Off the top of my head that's probably about 31500 m2, but use a calculator and don't be lazy like me. It's a pretty pointless stat though as I doubt anyone is really equating that into actual in game scenarios. Gallente Guide
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 10660	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:44:00 - [31494] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I didn't realize that you were sinless. :: Looks around the bar for saints :: Sneaks up behind Shotty and knifes him Stop lying. You haven't used a nova knife since you were convinced that the Min Assault is a better shotgunning platform than the Min Scout. Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:44:00 - [31495] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: FALSE PROPHET ... you don't worship my civ 5 religion. (I always name mine British Hegemony, btw.) Your religion won't last. Soon your people will be wearing my Aztec brand of blue jeans and listening to my pop music. You should fight me on an Archipelago map. I adore naval matches in BNW while playing as British. I have a match ongoing atm where I've got 50 ships of the line roaming the oceans and plundering everyone's trade routes. Yarr! Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7783	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:45:00 - [31496] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Who knows if that would work? Question: Why is there no turn speed cap for KB/M? DS3 scannerinas are largely inneffective due to turn-speed cap. Wouldn't a similar cap for KB/M completely solve the problem? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22825	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:46:00 - [31497] - Quote I'm inclined to say 'turn speed caps, ewwww' but I guess that could work. Thing is, it oughtn't be too low and you can get pretty close to a 360 on a controller. Gallente Guide
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 7783	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:49:00 - [31498] - Quote I'd always assumed there was a really good "nuts-and-bolts" explanation for no turn-speed cap on KB/M. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2653	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:51:00 - [31499] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: First Prophet wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: FALSE PROPHET ... you don't worship my civ 5 religion. (I always name mine British Hegemony, btw.) Your religion won't last. Soon your people will be wearing my Aztec brand of blue jeans and listening to my pop music. You should fight me on an Archipelago map. I adore naval matches in BNW while playing as British. I have a match ongoing atm where I've got 50 ships of the line roaming the oceans and plundering everyone's trade routes. Yarr! How about instead you play me on a Pangea consisting of 90% Jungle and a few mountain ranges? People find this this review helpful!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22828	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:52:00 - [31500] - Quote @Adipem Nah, not really. KB/M needs serious work in general TBH. Hasn't really been viable since... Chromosome? I used to use it with the SCR pre-1.8 but it became ineffective after that. It was probably ineffective before, it was just pointing the old triple damage modded Imperial on an assault Ak.0 with prof 5 tended to do fairly bad things to just about everything in a good few arc seconds. Gallente Guide



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