So, another question : We will be able to choose a district for his localisation, his default SI and a default RT ?

Or the RT will be randomly seeded after the capture ?

And I'll ask my last question in this post : after that, we'll be able to change the RT 1 hour by 1 hour every day, so the district is lock during the operation that could take 1 day to 23 ?

I can't see any of them stopping this exploit because you could just have alts creating and controlling the sub-corps.

And what if it is a legitimate continuous attack from an external corp? You could really really want to take that district but keep failing over and over but keep trying (unlikely but could happen).

Background info:
The preliminary leaked Dust-EVE bonuses were into POS production (days off supercapital cooking times?), PI (low truesec planet booster for isk generation) and a seemingly meaningless POS fuel reduction.

With that in place, if gen-bombing would be allowed in nullsec later on, or if lowsec got a meaningful Dust-EVE mechanic, it would make a lot of sense to shut down remote places to e.g. stall supercapital production. This would be a possible link for EVE alliances to hire Dust mercenaries.

This is why the instant clone bombing from alt corps needs to be looked carefully so, that the mechanic fits EVE. After all, what happens in Dust is relatively meaningless - the rewards for owning planets will come mainly from EVE for those of us who play both games.

Now the mechanic that allows behind the lines work is an enriching one for the EVE link, so there should definitely be one. I'd have it rely on EVE eventually, and I'm sure the genolution pack is just a placeholder as far as nullsec is concerned. Still, it's good to get it right from the get go so that CCP won't need to change it drastically later on.

I can't see any of them stopping this exploit because you could just have alts creating and controlling the sub-corps.

And what if it is a legitimate continuous attack from an external corp? You could really really want to take that district but keep failing over and over but keep trying (unlikely but could happen).

Here's a problem with the 200 clone pack - it doesn't really allow you to take a district that is well defended (nor should it). Say you attack a district with 300 clones in it. You're not going to lose all 200 in a single battle, but you could very well lose a good portion of them. In the meantime if one of your attacks is unsuccessful the defender reinforces from a nearby district or gets a round of production. You don't get any reinforcement at all. A 100 clone pack forces you to look for the low hanging fruit.

You can do that with the 200 pack as well, but I think it would draw a lot of new players into overreaching. Not necessarily a bad thing. On the other hand, having 200 clones could mean you're more likely to hold on to what you take. It would allow you to lose your first battle and still have a second chance to keep your territory. It would also allow larger entities to expand more quickly.

I'd like to know what sort of information we'll be able to see on districts before attacking: e.g. current owner? current clone count? current SI?

I'd like to know what sort of information we'll be able to see on districts before attacking: e.g. current owner? current clone count? current SI?

Also, I'm under the impression that the one hour attack option is valid even after a loss, so you could keep the district locked into that "under attack" state, which I'm pretty sure means they can't reinforce from another district.

I'd like to know this as well. I know you said earlier that we'd get to see who owns it and how many clones they have, but have you guys decided what the full amount of information shown is going to be?

EDIT: It seems we'll be able to check the Reinforcement timer before we take a district.

It's unclear to me whether or not we will be able to have more than one SI building in the same district. I saw somewhere that the main building will be the fighting area for battles, which seems to indicate we'll only get to have one. But if that's the case, can we sell/do we get any ISK for selling off the SI already seeded?

The question is for empty districts...

The question is for empty districts...

At launch all the new districts will get a randomly seeded with reinforcement timers and SI.
If a district is abandoned it will keep the SI and RT it had, they will not change just because it was abandoned.

I guess I'll just keep asking questions.

I see that sending reinforcements to your districts Locks it, but it doesn't prevent any clones from being produced does it?

Like if I send Reinforcements at 01:00 and the Reinforcement timer is set to 02:00, I'll still get all those clones the district would normally produce at 02:00 right? Also, the clones I'm using to reinforce arrive immediately, right?

I think it all happens at the next RT. I don't know what difference this would make though, apart from the stats changing when someone checks on your districts.

I guess I'll just keep asking questions.

I see that sending reinforcements to your districts Locks it, but it doesn't prevent any clones from being produced does it?

Like if I send Reinforcements at 01:00 and the Reinforcement timer is set to 02:00, I'll still get all those clones the district would normally produce at 02:00 right? Also, the clones I'm using to reinforce arrive immediately, right?

Yea it's more of a "I'd like the information just to have it, in case I think of something", but the changing of stats might have its uses.

It'd be good to get confirmation on this actually. If your reinforcements did arrive immediately, you could move them multiple times in 24 hours. I'm honestly not sure if this would ever be of use or a problem at all but it is a point nonetheless.

And also to answer your first question from that post - locked or unlocked doesn't affect production, only online/offline status.

Edit - CCP Fox Four answered as I typed! Wiley fox that one ;)

You can't move them multiple times, I don't think. At least not from the district they move to, because Locking a district is defined by "Not able to have actions applied to it but can be attacked by others."

In other words, you couldn't move 200 clones from District A to District B and then 100 from District B to District C in 24 hours, I don't think. Though you could move 100 from District A to District B and 100 from District A to District C all within the 24 hours since the district that sends the clones doesn't lock, only the one that receives them (link)

If your RT is set at, for example, 12:00, you could move clones to the district at 11:00, then do so again at 13:00. That's 2 hours apart. Not within the same 24-hour RT cycle, but still well within 24 hours.

The only problem is if any of the districts involved are attacked during that time, because the "under attack" state blocks them from reinforcing or being reinforced.

You can't move them multiple times, I don't think. At least not from the district they move to, because Locking a district is defined by "Not able to have actions applied to it but can be attacked by others."

In other words, you couldn't move 200 clones from District A to District B and then 100 from District B to District C all within 24 hours, I don't think. Though you could move 100 from District A to District B and 100 from District A to District C all within the 24 hours since the district that sends the clones doesn't lock, only the one that receives them (link)

Oh that's interesting, so the Lock timer is directly related to the Reinforcement timer? I thought it was in Lock status for 24 hours regardless of when you do something that Locks it.

Oh that's interesting, so the Lock timer is directly related to the Reinforcement timer? I thought it was in Lock status for 24 hours regardless of when you do something that Locks it.

I was under the impression that it locks until the RT at least 24 hours later. No?

Sorry, I missed a line. I was SO wrong.

MINIMUM 24 hours, AND it unlocks in the reinforcement window. So if you had your RT set to that 12:00 time I specified, and reinforced it at 13:00, you'd end up waiting through 24 hours, just past your next RT, then have another 23 hours (total of 47) before the district unlocks. Ouch.

If your RT is set at, for example, 12:00, you could move clones to the district at 11:00, then do so again at 13:00. That's 2 hours apart. Not within the same 24-hour RT cycle, but still well within 24 hours.

The only problem is if any of the districts involved are attacked during that time, because the "under attack" state blocks them from reinforcing or being reinforced.

Hmm, okay, so there's no way to cancel a move or move clones back or elsewhere within 24 hours. So if had 2 districts and you moved a bunch of clones from A to B, then A you realise you moved too many and left yourself vulnerable, you can't move some back to fix your error.

Lore wise this seems a little contradictory to be honest. You can move from A to B instantly but once at B you have to wait to move again.