That can't be right. If they were going to do this, they would absolutely need a weighted performance attribute. If you have a lot of nice gear, but have low K/D - WP/D - and poor ISK efficiency, you should be ranked lower, and not dropped into a battle where your solo-no-coms-using 0/10 tard tactics cannot harm the experience for the other players.

It seems that people have the wrong impression of exactly what is going to happen with the new role system.

So if the only way to unlock Assault Rail Rifles is to first skill into the Assault Role, that does not mean that you can only use Assault Rail Rifles with the Assault Dropsuits.

I can put a ton of SP in logistics, unlock my Amarr logi near the end of the tree and then stop there, start putting SP into the Assault Role and unlock Assault Rail Rifles. I can now take that Assault Rail Rifle and put it on my Amarr Logi suits. CCP Z has already confirmed that this is how he intends for the system to work.

We will still be able to make the exact same types of fit we are making today, its just a different progression path through the skill tree to get those same modules.

It seems that people have the wrong impression of exactly what is going to happen with the new role system.

So if the only way to unlock Assault Rail Rifles is to first skill into the Assault Role, that does not mean that you can only use Assault Rail Rifles with the Assault Dropsuits.

I can put a ton of SP in logistics, unlock my Amarr logi near the end of the tree and then stop there, start putting SP into the Assault Role and unlock Assault Rail Rifles. I can now take that Assault Rail Rifle and put it on my Amarr Logi suits. CCP Z has already confirmed that this is how he intends for the system to work.

We will still be able to make the exact same types of fit we are making today, its just a different progression path through the skill tree to get those same modules.

This makes sense, as long as you can turn it off and do free-hand skilling.

What kind of cost are we talking about? ISK would allow the mega rich nullsec alliances to constantly give their best players respecs to keep ontop of the FOTM, which will negatively impact NPE and seriously hinder smaller, poorer alliances. AUR respecs would give dust a very strong P2W label, which, I'm sure you know, will make a lot of people stay away from legion. A percentage of total SP could work if you intend to make it a tool for new players to use to try out different roles and find out what they're comfortable with, but I doubt any hardcore players would want to lose months worth of SP for a respec.

The problem is what do you want respecs to be used for? What target audience do you see using respecs?

This makes sense, as long as you can turn it off and do free-hand skilling.

If anyone can explain a way for a subscription, time based progress system to work in a FTP FPS which uses active SP accrual, while providing a monetisation system that enables CCP to make a profit, encouraging new player take up and not needing huge resources to create an extensive NPE to explain all that, then this is your moment to shine...

I'm still not completely understanding the progression system you outlined regarding the weapons. What I want to know is, can I still be able to fit a Nova Knife onto a Commando suit or an Plasma Rifle onto a Scout or a Sniper Rifle onto a Logistics regardless of their role and and race?

I believe they've already answered this. Except for your question's reference to the commando suit (whose role hasn't been designed in the new system yet) the answer is yes, you can. It will require that you progress down two separate paths for two different roles, but once you have done so, you'll be able to combine those roles, mixing and matching elements from each.

Or am I mistaken?

I still fail to see how any of this is related to DUST 514. I strongly remember this being the DUST 514 forums for the DUST 514 PlayStation Exclusive.

CCP Z still hasn't answered anything that pertains to the advancements of DUST 514 and nor has any of the other devs. Why doesn't CCP do something right for once? Maybe because CCP means Consistently Causing Problems?

Go make a darn(m) LEGION forum.

Yes we could keep the 5 levels. From the studies and the research we made on DUST, people seems to not understand it. ThatGÇÖs why we want to remove it.

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Yes we could keep the 5 levels. From the studies and the research we made on DUST, people seems to not understand it. ThatGÇÖs why we want to remove it.


Yes


They will be a node to unlock (same as a new weapon, Drop Suit or module)

I like the concept of 're-spec as negative skill training'.

I.e. you decide you don't want Gallente Prototype Assault Riles any more, so you flag that as de-respecializing, then the SP used to buy that drains into your unallocated SP pool slowly.

So, while you can definitely recoup all the SP you spent (I originally thought about only a percentage coming back, but that penalises honest mistakes, whereas FOTM players will just suck it up), getting that SP will take time, perhaps days or weeks to become available, which puts a massive crimp on FOTM-chasing.

...Matchmaking should be good, but not at the expense of the powerful versus not powerful struggle.

You're trying to flip the "mass appeal" switch and sacrifice good gameplay for popularity (and in the office this translates to dollar signs). It won't work, your game isn't as polished as Titanfall or COD and knowing your development process it's never going to be. You pump out updates too fast, and your team is too small. I'm sorry, those are the facts. The casuals will see your game, and think "Oh, well this game is alright... Titanfall is better though" and they won't come back. They have no vested interest in Dust, EVE, and they won't have an interest in Legion either. The production value is what they care about, and it simply isn't there.

Its core appeal is to a Machiavellian playerbase who ignores these facts because it allows them to live out a power fantasy regarding taking away other peoples toys and griefing those who are not in a strong position to defend themselves. If you try to build your game the other way and ignore these basic New Eden principles -- instead making fights "fair" -- you will pretty much just create another, lesser version of every other game in existence.

This is an innovative idea that I had not heard of or thought about before. CCP Z should definitely consider this.

It could also have an cost that is proportional to the amount of skill points that get redirected.

Dust skill tree is incomplete. And i don-¦t mean "It-¦s ok but missing certain nodes because all the suits weren-¦t there", i mean incomplete in "It trashes the purpose of the skill tree".

1-3-5 to unlock basic-advanced-proto is a terrible way of using the tree.

It-¦s counterintuitive, makes people hate the skills because they-¦re not seen as "The thing tht will give me that extra 2% so i can get the final blow instead of recieving it" or "the extra 3% i needed to make my kickassfitting that i played around for hours on my Dust fitting tool, without having to buy an implant for it" (Wish we had implants), but instead as that "Thing that unlocks shiny dropsuit" with absolutely no regard to the rest of the skills needed to use modules with the shiny dropsuit.

How many people went straight for the dropsuit while still using basic modules?

How many times they complained on the forums that their suit was nerfed, and that they wanted respec because of it?

You think it was because the skilltree is complicated? No.

It-¦s because the skill tree doesn-¦t serve much purpose other than unlocking things (instead of being it-¦s own ecosystem of positive feedback troughout any game modes) and because it was (is) incomplete!

People like unlocking things because it-¦s an achievment. Doesn-¦t matter if i have the proper fitting, i have ALL THE BLACK PROTOTYPE SUITS, then i-¦m better than a militia guy, right? Wait, how did that milita guy killed me? I unlocked a better suit, why am i dying? This skilltree sucks.

Trashing a system that was implemented badly and getting a new one opesn the possibility of instead making the bad tried system good, to get the whole fiasco again with the new one. Dumbing down is not necessarily better, specially when it removes the "Secret CCP Special Sauce" that is the wild range of possible fittings, that you said it won-¦t be the case anymore fort they will be linked to role. (Or was their unlocking?)

People didn't seem to understand it? Have you tried explaining it to them?

I suspect that this can be solved with the NPE.


I share the worries of dumbing down the skill tree and making it boring and restrictive.