What?

This accusatory tone is probably not the best way to go about having your questions answered. Don't make me unlike the like I gave you in the PC gaming thread.

Ask a constructive question and it will hopefully be answered eventually. CCP Z answered some specific questions brought to him by CCP Frame based on specific feedback from forum users - there is no reason why your questions will not be answered in time as well.

While I agree that in some games a Respec option is a good thing. as you may get to a point in the game where all the choices you have made are completely obsolete or bad. In New Eden no choice should ever be made lightly, nor should they be easily changed. As no spent skill is every really wasted, it might not be useful right now, but you may run into a situation later on where you'll need it and wow I already have that skill.

New Eden is very much a place of choices, however, making a choice needs to have weight as it does now. I play Logi, and Assault, if I spend skill points into a heavy tree to test it out and decide I don't like how it plays fine. but I shouldn't be able to just undo those choices.

There are limited occasons I would say respecs ok. The end of the NPE, because you just finished learning how to play and probably made bad choices before learning how important choices are. When major changes to the skill system are made, IE you removed 15 skills I had, refunding those points I'm ok with.

Making it so that I decide I don't like the skills I have paying 5 bucks and being able to completely redo my entire tree smacks all the choices in the face, and then hampers me in my ability to use the new gear I just got, because I have not properly progressed thru the tree learning how this style plays. which means I might also not like it.

I know many people are used to this being an option in other games, but it does not really fit with New Eden. yes it makes it a bit harder for some, and makes others think they are trapped with bad choices, but this is because they didn't understand the system in the first place and don't understand why it is that way.

If these are addressed early on in the NPE, like having people pick certain skills, explaining that choices are important and that, as I suggested above they can reassign them once they finish, but afterwards their choices both with their skills and their trigger pulls are important, and needed to be treated that way.

I-¦m trying to ask the hard questions that need to be asked a company that wants to develop the most innovative shooter ever released on a PC.

This will remain the case in Legion, for different reasons:
You will have different contracts offered to you depending on your Dropsuit Meta Level. Basically, if you have 3 fittings with a 120, 200 and 350 Metalevel, you will have access to 3 different brackets where people will have the same Metalevel range as you. So, no Dropsuit will be obsolete. You will have access to non-match made battles, so basically you can pick any Dropsuit you want.

And that is great - we just need you to appreciate that nothing is being kept from you and that we are trying to be transparent as possible. Reasons for not answering could be:

1. CCP Z has simply not gotten around to it yet
2. We simply do not know yet, and will be revealing more when we do.
3. Your originaly question was tl;dr over in another thread somewhere and could be better addressed if posted here
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Hey, instead of responding to one person, why not address some of the other posts from people. Please don't take it the wrong way, but there are others who have posts that deserve some sort of response considering they are trying to give real feedback. Not just arguing.. And, no I am not specifically talking about mine.

CCP Blowout is responding to you because your comments were not particularly related to progression - we'll let CCP Z talk about that as it's his area of expertise and focus.

Back on topic guys...

I really like the idea you have for the removal of the 5 level node system...but how will you implement passive skills and bonuses?

For example, each variant of the Plasma Rifle will have its own node, but will there be extra nodes elsewhere for upgrading the reload/dispersion/ammo capacity? What about passive skills like electronics/engineering that increase dropsuit cpu/pg? Will they now be separate nodes for each extra bonus, or do you have something else in mind?

I'm still a bit worried about this system. But that's how it often is this early in developement and I'm sure we will see what workes. I sincerely hope our feedback both us forumers and the CPM be heard and not just listened to. :)

You might be right that the 5 point system might be a good cut. However I would still argue that in some cases a skill could have multiple levels ranging from just 1-2 or 1-3 were applicable.

I'm still a bit worried about this system. But that's how it often is this early in developement and I'm sure we will see what workes. I sincerely hope our feedback both us forumers and the CPM be heard and not just listened to. :)

We are not talking to the same target audience (hardcore MMO players vs Online FPS Players).

You will have different contracts offered to you depending on your Dropsuit Meta Level. Basically, if you have 3 fittings with a 120, 200 and 350 Metalevel, you will have access to 3 different brackets where people will have the same Metalevel range as you. So, no Dropsuit will be obsolete. You will have access to non-match made battles, so basically you can pick any Dropsuit you want.

Again, the nature of Legion is to work against Gear obsolescence, so your old gear will still have an interest for you after unlocking the GÇ£nextGÇ¥ Dropsuit in your tree. You donGÇÖt have to move in a linear way (ie, by going directly to the next Dropsuit). We will offer you many side choices that will make you more efficient or have more fitting choices with your current Dropsuit.

We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses.

... we are making the Progression more difficult. Right now, within a couple of weeks of play, you can basically create your ultimate Fitting and never do anything else.

I think that the new system will allow both: accessibility for new users to understand, while keeping the high level complexity of mix-matching modules, weapons and Dropsuits.

We offer a much deeper and varied system than almost any MMO on the market, we are just trying to make it more accessible.

So will we have access to all our dropsuits or will it be tiered? You claim we will be able to do two contradictory things here.

You will have different contracts offered to you depending on your Dropsuit Meta Level. Basically, if you have 3 fittings with a 120, 200 and 350 Metalevel, you will have access to 3 different brackets where people will have the same Metalevel range as you. So, no Dropsuit will be obsolete. You will have access to non-match made battles, so basically you can pick any Dropsuit you want.

Again, the nature of Legion is to work against Gear obsolescence, so your old gear will still have an interest for you after unlocking the GÇ£nextGÇ¥ Dropsuit in your tree. You donGÇÖt have to move in a linear way (ie, by going directly to the next Dropsuit). We will offer you many side choices that will make you more efficient or have more fitting choices with your current Dropsuit.

We will offer a Respec Option (which does not exist in DUST 514). More information will come down the line as the projectGÇÖs development progresses.

I donGÇÖt necessarily agree with the EVE example, it remains a really difficult progression system to understand. Legion is not and will not be EVE, even if both games share the same universe. We have many reasons justifying that choice: we are not the same business model (subscription vs free to play), we are not talking to the same target audience (hardcore MMO players vs Online FPS Players). That isnGÇÖt to say that their progression system isnGÇÖt great and applicable to EVE GÇô only that it does not necessarily fit the game we want Project Legion to become.
I think that the new system will allow both: accessibility for new users to understand, while keeping the high level complexity of mix-matching modules, weapons and Dropsuits.

KDR in the game means next to nothing, but WP and ISK efficiency means a lot. When you can field 100k isk on the field and destroy 2 million worth of isk..it should mean something. Same with WPs. If you average 1500+ WP per match is should mean something compared to someone averaging 900-1000 WPs. The only real thing I see KDR showing is the likelyhood of a person draining clone count. But if that person is enabling the team to win by removing high value targets from the field...where is the break away?

Did I miss the announcement that Legion was green lit?


If it is green lit what's the earliest we would see it? 1-2 years?

While to a certain (okay, significant) extent this is true, when I'm playing solo, as I have been doing for a while now, I play ambush solely.

And in ambush, KDR = everything.

It isn't green lit. Which is why this discussion, this forum itself even existing is very confusing. Why hype something that we are unsure even has a future at all?

Can whatever system you put in place be change after launch ,like the 3 different trees we had from beta till now in Dust?

With a PC game can't you do both the new easy progression and keep the lvl 5 system so we can just get what we want since we know what we want.

Are the weapons of each dropsuit tree race specific as Gallentee have Assault rifle but no scrambler or rail rifle?

Will electronics and engineering skills still that bring those numbers as cpu and pg still be in the game?

how will you implement passive skills and bonuses?

I would want to know why the current skill system could not be a base for EVE Legion with a UI overlay guiding players into roles? Has a investigation of this been done?

Respec Discussion

While a respec option is a very popular feature I donGÇÖt think it should be a simple as GÇÿpush button, receive respecGÇÖ. I know you havenGÇÖt given us much information here but just in case you are considering a full respec option IGÇÖd like to caution against it. With a full respec option, I am concerned that the meta might become very unhealthy.

I actually think this is a good viewpoint to have. The EVE style progression system isn't just difficult to understand, but it was initially shoehorned into the DUST skill system giving us a lot of useless skills like Dropsuit Command 4/5.
One strength of the new system I hope is that there won't be any of those rubbish skills.

Because in order to ensure it has a future, we need to get certain things right.

Respec will have a gradually increasing cost, so your choices matter