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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:37:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cotsy, no one cares. You run a cloak just like everyone else. Quit your bullkitten. If you're not going to contribute constructively stay out of the thread.
I know right? His QQ is getting sloppy as all ****.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:01:00 -
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Fix the glitches. also, why should we go deaf when we have one on? I think it is a cute gimmick, but it's lame and disorienting to lose a sense of hearing. Why would that even happen? Also, the shimmer should be commensurate with your speed.
Once they are fixed, let's talk about changes.
First of all, you can not instantly shoot when you decloak. There is already about a second and a half delay when you switch to a weapon. The stamina like functionality is what makes it useful It is the perfect compromise to not being about to hold a weapon or equipment. This was a smart and elegant compromise, and it works. To have a cool down would mean you couldn't multi-task, and that would be annoying. Scouts are all about multi tasking.
Second, the timers are good. basic is 30s, ADV 60s, proto 80s. Not forever, and just enough to be tactically used. Basic cloak is garbage. Proto is too expensive to fit CPU/PG wise- but you can do it with some sacrifice.
Damage shouldn't screw with it at all. Presumably it is hardened underneath your shield and armor.
I could see a flux taking down a cloak outright based on tier- basic flux kills basic cloak, adv to adv, proto to proto. A basic flux shouldn't take out an ADV or proto cloak and so on.
Cloaks are not impossible to see or spot even at a long distance. Also, your reticle turns red as you sweep across an area. Once people figure this out, the QQ won't be as unfounded. Same goes for scrubs knifing and shooting and tossing REs while cloaked.
The fitting is good right now. Any more severe and it will be useless. As it is now, I can't speed tank and stealth tank my typical fit, It is one or the other.
A lot of this QQ is just for the QQ of it. Cotsy is particularly mock poutraging. Same for paradin(sp?). Both are the champions of nerfing it, yet it is woefully apparent their information is not based on personal usage, misunderstanding mechanics of it, and just missing the old glory days of the UP scout. Knifing, for example, outside of the glitch users, is much more difficult to pull off than shotgunning. I;d rather use knives, but they just aren't as viable.
It's a two fold comeuppance- first, we have competitive suits and EWAR- no one is used to it, and people's K/Ds are making them feel it. They need to adapt. The second part of that is scouts had to deal with UP suits for so long we are now like monsters with the new suits. or most. I am trying to **** around and try shotguns out again.. yikes! one good day and I was in la la land.. now the reality is setting in. so i'm not in beast mode yet, but i will be once I get my suits just right.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:36:00 -
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I don't get why anything aside from the glitches needs to get changed. It seems like changing and weakening just because.
Why not wait and look at the figures CCP says it collects. If scout K/D goes up tremendously.. fine there is an issue. But if it only goes up marginally then we can all agree there is no problems necessitating nerfing.
Right?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:So quick question should decloaking consume some of the 'fuel'
This might go down as a worse suggestion than scouts losing their grenade slot.
Why are you meddling with **** that isn't fixed, and also hasn't been out for any length of time whatsoever. Is this CPM being a bureaucracy or what? Trying to seem useful? How about putting this much fervor into fixing bugs? Adding content? You know the sprinting glitch still exists, and it happens when you first cloak now as well.
Scout Reg laid out the exact facts of cloaking as it exists in game right now. It makes no sense to change it because it actually works like a cloak. CCP finally has scouts down pat. Really well done.
It's not time to fix what isn't broken. It is time to fix what is actually broken. Drop the nerf campaign and go on bug hunts.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:10:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:knight guard fury wrote:u ignoring my post IWS It doesn't matter what you post.....cause if he disagrees, he's not pushing for it.
One thing about IWS, he does listen to and for reasonable discussion. He spent a lot of time with us scouts, and it was greatly appreciated. Plus, he's actually a fun dude to have chip in on the inanity.
BUT~! I really wish he'd change his focus to getting bugs fixed and improving UI vs nerf campaigns. One thing that has been proven time and time again, is that CCP doesn't even really listen to the CPM anyways.
I think CCP is on a really good path finally, and 1.9 is looking up. I hope they move forward versus too much tinkering with stuff they get right.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:25:00 -
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I get that, but his actions speak to me. He walked the walk and talked the talk in the scout forum.
What more do you want from the guy? He isn't saying anything outrageous. it's completely logical, and what a decent representative would do. That is how politics work.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
There are topics I don't touch because of the nature of next and upcoming rendering the fight invalid.
Well, okay then. lol.
But can you just drop the nerf campaign until:
1- Bugs/glitches are fixed witht he cloak.
2- There is a reasonable amount of time after the fixes to eveluate the numbers.
3- try not to make the cloak useless. Keep in mind, we already had a big debate/discussion about cloaks. And this cloak is what was negotiated. And to my surprise, it is a well thought out puzzle piece that fits into the scout role tha tis actually tactically useful.
Adding more restrictions than we already conceded only serves to mess that all up.
It adds a much deeper layer to the game that it sorely needed. It makes squading up more important. And to that end, it makes the concept of roles within a squad that much more deep. before everyone was basically a slayer. The only thing you needed to accomplish that was a proto fotm squad. Now, scouts are almost necessary on a squad. Before they were just a fringe hard mode suit. The cloak, as is, only serves to hammer that into a necessity. If you nerf it now, you take the game back a couple steps to the fotm vanilla lobbby shooter it has been for too long.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:15:00 -
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If anything, the cloak is too easy for other suits to fit. It is not easy for a scout to fit a proto cloak unless you are proto and fully skilled out.
If you aren't max core skills and lv 5 scout, you are not going to have an easy time fitting a cloak without making a sacrifice. The ninja scout in particular can either speed tank, or stealth tank. You can't do both, and this is with core skills 5.
The real problems here are unfinished assault suit stats, and armor plating usage.
Other than that- the cloak QQ is just that.. QQ. There is no question that the cloak is very visible to visual ID, and that using your reticule to sweep an area makes it bang on easy to find cloakers. If you can't see or find a cloaker, then you have to readjust how you pay attention to your surroundings in game. That is the only other problem aside from the glitches. Players being too lazy to use their eyeballs.
It is way too soon to talk about changing the cloak. This is just a hysterical response to something that is new, and also glitched right now. Fix the bugs first.
Nerfing is OP, bug fixing is UP. Way too UP.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:49:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
Its not that its "Overpowered" its more the fact you can
1) Have Your Cake and Eat it when it comes to fitting - That is patently false. Even at max skills you do not have carte blanche. You do have a lot more choices than someone with avg to low skill- in which case serious concessions have to be made for an ADV cloak. A proto cloak insures a low SP user has nothing but that cloak.
2) Kill someone while still being cloaked (you can say its QQ but until you actually try shooting an invisible scout with MORE health than you won't understand) - That is not possible aside from a glitch that was not intended. I agree though. that glitch needs hot fixing immediately. The way a cloak works as intended, you have a half second from cloak to weapon switch. It works well with a shotgun due to the 5m buffer you can put inbetween yourself and the target. However, with knives you have to create that buffer yourself, so you will be attacking after being uncloaked for about 3 seconds or so. And even then it's a frame rate horror to even deal with.
Also CCP built it so you weren't meant to do that, which is problem. - Thus it is a glitch.
Its those who are complaining they keep getting shot in the back that are QQing because the cloak is meant to facilitate that, being shot in the face, not so much.
If you get shot in the face from a cloaked- You could have seen him if you were looking and really should pay more attention to your surroundings. You can easily visibly ID cloaked and moving targets. Your reticle is also a key and powerful tool in sweeping for cloaked enemies.
People just need to relearn tactics. This cloak QQ is born of laziness to adapt to a changing battlefield. Get in a squad, unless you know how to solo, and have a scout in your squad to help you ID threats.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.03.30 20:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
cloaks don't need to be overhauled......if they just add the few tweaks/changes that I'm seeing requested over and over, then it should be fine. It will always be cheesy but it wouldn't be so ridiculous.
They aren't ridiculous. Most of these "tweaks" are though.
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