I had asked for the ability to duct tape a MD onto a small turret in my dropship months ago when small missiles were crushed by the nerf hammer. The minuscule blast radius of a missile made it next to impossible to get a kill from a moving platform.

Turret mounted weapons should be a multiple of handheld weapons.

Anti-infantry missiles should have a large blast radius by design. Who in their right mind would design a missile with less killing power than a MD round?

I get it that dropships were invincible killing machines back in precursor, but that was largely due to ineffective swarm pathing that has since been fixed. The new maps are also much more infantry friendly with significantly more cover.

Invincible? Hey bud... have you ever flown one? 2 forge gun bolts... and for god sakes my Python costed me a million dollars, It's the same as running proto, If I am a skilled player I *should* be tough to take down considering the price. I only had 3300 shields. If I was in range an HMG could easily reduce my shields to 20%

EDIT: I think I misread that.... still my point stands against the complaints against the ADS

What the hell, LAVs get more HP than dropships. Do you understand, that aiming at dropship is much easier, than at LAVs? Invincible murder taxi makes no sense and you want to repeat you balance mistake? LAVs should tank with speed, not shield/armor.

I want to ask CCP, how they see each type of vehicle operating on a battlefield?
I.e. HAVs: we start a match, call in RDV, get into the tank, ride to closest enemy nest, shoot people, then repeat. Or take a hill and do sniper shots all the game suppressing enemy ground units.
LAVs: we start a match, drive to nearest objective, jump out and take the objective. Then get in again, drive to another objectve (or whatever) fast, do our local job and can leave LAV without fear, because it is cheap.
But what should we do with weaponless dropship after first drop the beginning of the match? Tell me your vision, please.

lol. speed tanking with swarms is impossible. unless swarms get a huge speed/tracking nerf, it will never happen.

since you guys are removing the mandatory small turret let the mercs shoot their own weapon from the passenger seat of both the lav and the dropships. any light weapon

lol. speed tanking with swarms is impossible. unless swarms get a huge speed/tracking nerf, it will never happen.

so, what about the Veyu's and the Falchion's are these getting changed or will they still be 5 low 3 high?

CCP, do you realize what these pathetic regen/rep rates and absurd cool down times will do to vehicles? I mean come on it is pathetic how long they will be-even with skills. Tanks will no longer roam the battlefield, neither will dropships be unsustainable in combat.

It isnt very fun to sit in the redline waiting two minutes for all of the modules to recharge or ammo to regen.

^ This is what I'm afraid of. Long cd times will force tanks to retreat and sit idle for long durations to prevent massive isk loss

If you read the OP..... Enforcers are being removed. So no way of knowing until next year at the earliest.
If they are ever added back they'll prolly have 10 slots with 200 CPU and 900 pg lolz

Will small arms fire prevent shields from recharging?

I sure as heck hope not

LAV Operation +1% Speed / Acceleration
HAV Operation +1% armor & shields and / or +1% large turret dmg

What the hell, LAVs get more HP than dropships. Do you understand, that aiming at dropship is much easier, than at LAVs? Invincible murder taxi makes no sense and you want to repeat you balance mistake? LAVs should tank with speed, not shield/armor.

I want to ask CCP, how they see each type of vehicle operating on a battlefield?
I.e. HAVs: we start a match, call in RDV, get into the tank, ride to closest enemy nest, shoot people, then repeat. Or take a hill and do sniper shots all the game suppressing enemy ground units.
LAVs: we start a match, drive to nearest objective, jump out and take the objective. Then get in again, drive to another objectve (or whatever) fast, do our local job and can leave LAV without fear, because it is cheap.
But what should we do with weaponless dropship after first drop the beginning of the match? Tell me your vision, please.

But where is dropship operation?

A few things about why this post is bad :

1. LAVs have more base HP than Dropships ... but Dropships have twice as many slots. Effectively what this means is that a fitted Dropship will easily be able to tank more than anything an LAV could. Being that the LAV is restricted to 2 high / 1 low and 1 High / 2 Low what you'll see is that you cant simultaneously fit an extender, repper, and a resist onto an LAVs most desirable stat (Gallente Armor, Caldari Shield) at the same time. Dropships don't have this limitation.

2. You bring up Invincible Murder Taxis but forget that a lot of the reason they're invincible to begin with is because they have an insane base resistance on top of great fitting options. Comparing the new paradigm of vehicles to what we see in current LAVs is flawed logic. Even if the next LAVs had the exact same health as the current LLAVs they'd still be no where near as effective at tanking the same amount of damage thanks to changes to the modules / slot layout / lack of resistance.

3. L. A. V. - Light ATTACK Vehicle. Believe it or not there was a point in closed beta where this acronym was an accurate description of what the LAV was on the battlefield, and Im not referring to the invincible murder taxis we saw in Uprising. There was a time where people would willingly jump into an LAV fitted with Missile turrets and be able to effectively rack up a fair amount of kills because the LAV + Turret Gunner was an effective glass cannon on the field. With the changes to Missile Turrets and the decrease in range of Blaster Turrets this stopped being the case and they became, as you implied, strictly Murder Taxi / Transport vehicles. In my eyes, and clearly in the eyes of CCP, this is something worth changing.

4. Off the top of my head though I could see a Weaponless Dropship as something one could use while coordinating with squad members for transportation across a large map. The fact that it's weaponless would mean that you could fit a CRU or Scanning Modules without worrying about needing CPU/PG extenders in order to do so while also potentially increasing the overall tankiness of the vehicle. It'll be more niche and less commonly seen no doubt but it's something that could potentially be useful when there's a fair bit of communication used.

One reason this^^^^^ post is bad.... You're implying that a dropship is something *other* than a defenseless flying burrito. Since the ADS will be removed that is all they will be. What good is a CRU *if* you can't maneuver like an ADS to avoid a forge bolt, even if you could it's a two hit kill. Two hits that can come from *any* direction unlike an LAV, unless you're 10 ft off the ground. Then you run the risk of the recoil from any AV bouncing you right into the ground to an insta-death. A LAV can take cover around crates, under pipes, etc. A DS has the option of an occasional tower, still you're exposed to *at least* half the map. You have to remember he's speaking of a base DS. As soon as a rail or forge decides to fire at em, they are toast. So CCP, what function to you propose other than being flaming fireworks for infantry do you see the DS being worth? Being airborne brings ALOT of attention to you. If you have no offense than the unreliable random gunners, and the maneuverability of a flying sausage, and barely the HP of an LAV, what can you do with it?

I can appreciate that you need to reduce noise in your data, but how is further limiting tankers supposed to help in that regard?

2H/3L on an armor tank? How is that going to produce any sort of variety in fits? It would seem very likely that there will be yet another stage of one fit to rule them all.

I do appreciate the irony though. People complained about not having enough PG to fill their slots, so you took the slots away. Clever.