Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

I vote to send OP back to the Academy. Apparently, he flunked some basic courses.

Looks like someone knows how to maximize WP to make up for lack of gun skill. No problem with that in my book.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

The real crying is because slayers don't really realize, but what they do is the grunt work. Killing is killing, there isn't a lot of variety to it. I suppose that when they get rewarded for headshots, that may be a little different.

I earn about 2500 wp on average with a positive kdr

I love being a logi/forge/assault/everything.
You get more points when you have more than just one role.

See a tank? I switch to my forge and get lots of points. See a group of heavies? throw down some nanohives and support them while they rush an objective. See a group of player rushing my objective? switch to a heavily armored assault with damage mods and a scanner to wipe them out before they even knew what hit them.

War points are a pretty accurate description of what help tha player brought to the team, their not war points their worth points

If the logi is dying 15 times how is he going positive my dirt cheap logi fit is like 12k and I can only use a std injector, repper and links not exactly a big WP producer 12 x 15 is 180 so I'd have to make 180k just to avoid going negative on a standard suit math doesn't add up unless you do an insane amount of repping get an insane amount of team spawns from one link and if people go down in front of you and don't die as soon as you get there.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Not everyone has the number of SP that you do where they can run multiple roles yet, being able to do everything is nice, but being focused on one role in the beginning is what this game is about.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

If the logi is dying 15 times how is he going positive my dirt cheap logi fit is like 12k and I can only use a std injector, repper and links not exactly a big WP producer 12 x 15 is 180 so I'd have to make 180k just to avoid going negative on a standard suit math doesn't add up unless you do an insane amount of repping get an insane amount of team spawns from one link and if people go down in front of you and don't die as soon as you get there.

KDR is not the be-all, end-all of shooters. KDR is important in Crawl On Dookie, which has created this mono dimensional mindset that people get into.
It isn't always a Logi thing either...
Today, I had a 2/38/9 match with my HMG. Top of my team's board. (38 assists, FFS)
That UplinkHackScout that put you in position to win deserves just as much credit as anyone else on the team, even if he never pulled the trigger.
That AVer that took out the HAV that had your team pinned down, probably went negative trying to clear your exit.

Pew pew pew gets boring, fast. No matter the win margin or length of epeen stroke.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

38 assist FFS thats crazy dude! I usually get like 10ish with +-25 kills. 38 assist wow!

Running one suit to drop spawms, then switching suits and droping nonohives, then switching suits and running around with a nanoinjector all in one battle - all the drops continue to run - is how you want logi to work?


I can make a cheap suit run and drop a militia spawn and come back as a heavy than. What a broken system to think logi should get points for not doing any work or risking any costly suits and make #1 on the charts.

Running one suit to drop spawms, then switching suits and droping nonohives, then switching suits and running around with a nanoinjector all in one battle - all the drops continue to run - is how you want logi to work?


I can make a cheap suit run and drop a militia spawn and come back as a heavy than. What a broken system to think logi should get points for not doing any work or risking any costly suits and make #1 on the charts.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Should've gone 21/0.

Do it then, make a cheap suit with uplinks, deploy them then switch to a heavy. Tell me how many WP you will get.

I expect you to do this and give me an exact amount of WP you got.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Funny!!

Skilled logi is not the issue. the multiply equipment drops with no risk to losing costly suits.. When more combat types require the risk of losing isk and costly suits to make #1 is sad.

It requires no skill and gives people a lot of xp/isk/wp not cool. That should go to the most skilled not the ones droping militia logi and nanoinjecting people in combat to die again just for SP... You know its true!

Awww

Funny!!

Skilled logi is not the issue. the multiply equipment drops with no risk to losing costly suits.. When more combat types require the risk of losing isk and costly suits to make #1 is sad.

It requires no skill and gives people a lot of xp/isk/wp not cool. That should go to the most skilled not the ones droping militia logi and nanoinjecting people in combat to die again just for SP... You know its true!

Awww

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

You get WP because people use your stuff, you know? So, you must be making some good use of it, no?!

no you just swap suits after dropping equipment. so you don't have to make good use of anything.

The fact that no one is addressing the issue here of droping equipment and swaping suits = no risk no isk loss - is because its a joke and you know it.

You know nothing, Jon Snow...

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

no you just swap suits after dropping equipment. so you don't have to make good use of anything.

The fact that no one is addressing the issue here of droping equipment and swaping suits = no risk no isk loss - is because its a joke and you know it.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

So then why, dear Logibro, are you calling logi suit/equipment changes at supply depots a bug in your most recent bug report? I call it good, ingenious logi work. Why would you consider a "fix" for this when many logis enjoy this capability and benefit from it greatly?

lol really can you source that for me PLEASE !!!

Bug report:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1292823#post1292823

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame

Not exactly sure why someone is complaining about logi's doing they're job

OP,

You realize that we're at odds on this issue, right? It's ridiculous to call suit and equipment changes a bug. It's smart logistics work, plain and simple.

CCP calls it a bug - I am all cool with skilled logi. But there is no risk to drop top end gear and swap suits to something cheap.

Hahah. This thread is awesome. Glad to see that all of my hard work does not go unappreciated. For the record, my favorite suit is a adv Gal logi with 391 eHP, an exile, two adv speed stems, an adv stamina stem, double uplinks (four total deployable) and a compact nano. I have a 2.11 kdr (if you think that it is easy running around with 391 eHP and a exile most of the time your insane). I regularly turn the tide of battle with this suit... And to anyone saying that it is easy being a logi, that is absolutly nonsence. It takes a lot of very carful thought and planning (most of the time) espesialy when it is a close battle. When I am done placing uplinks (which most of the time it is a never ending battle just to keep them on the board) if I am still alive, I'll switch to my nano suit and start droping pro triage and pro guaged nanos in supremely stratigic locations. If I survive through this, and all my uplinks are still in relevant locations, I'll switch to either my rep/rez/scan logi, or my adv Gal medium slayer suit (two comp damage mods and 559 armor with a GK-13, GLU, or GEK, an a compact nano), just depends on what I feel is more needed. tbh, I don't see how switching at depots is a problem, it is a lot of hard work doing what I do, and most of the time it is a thankless job (not as recognized or praised as much as the "slayer"). I see no reason why the equipment I deploy in one suit should all-of-a-sudden vanish because I happen to be in a different suit with different equipment at some point in a match. I work very hard to get that equipment out on the board.

Hahah. This thread is awesome. Glad to see that all of my hard work does not go unappreciated. For the record, my favorite suit is a adv Gal logi with 391 eHP, an exile, two adv speed stems, an adv stamina stem, double uplinks (four total deployable) and a compact nano. I have a 2.11 kdr (if you think that it is easy running around with 391 eHP and a exile most of the time your insane). I regularly turn the tide of battle with this suit... And to anyone saying that it is easy being a logi, that is absolutly nonsence. It takes a lot of very carful thought and planning (most of the time) espesialy when it is a close battle. When I am done placing uplinks (which most of the time it is a never ending battle just to keep them on the board) if I am still alive, I'll switch to my nano suit and start droping pro triage and pro guaged nanos in supremely stratigic locations. If I survive through this, and all my uplinks are still in relevant locations, I'll switch to either my rep/rez/scan logi, or my adv Gal medium slayer suit (two comp damage mods and 559 armor with a GK-13, GLU, or GEK, an a compact nano), just depends on what I feel is more needed. tbh, I don't see how switching at depots is a problem, it is a lot of hard work doing what I do, and most of the time it is a thankless job (not as recognized or praised as much as the "slayer"). I see no reason why the equipment I deploy in one suit should all-of-a-sudden vanish because I happen to be in a different suit with different equipment at some point in a match. I work very hard to get that equipment out on the board.

Hahah. This thread is awesome. Glad to see that all of my hard work does not go unappreciated. For the record, my favorite suit is a adv Gal logi with 391 eHP, an exile, two adv speed stems, an adv stamina stem, double uplinks (four total deployable) and a compact nano. I have a 2.11 kdr (if you think that it is easy running around with 391 eHP and a exile most of the time your insane). I regularly turn the tide of battle with this suit... And to anyone saying that it is easy being a logi, that is absolutly nonsence. It takes a lot of very carful thought and planning (most of the time) espesialy when it is a close battle. When I am done placing uplinks (which most of the time it is a never ending battle just to keep them on the board) if I am still alive, I'll switch to my nano suit and start droping pro triage and pro guaged nanos in supremely stratigic locations. If I survive through this, and all my uplinks are still in relevant locations, I'll switch to either my rep/rez/scan logi, or my adv Gal medium slayer suit (two comp damage mods and 559 armor with a GK-13, GLU, or GEK, an a compact nano), just depends on what I feel is more needed. tbh, I don't see how switching at depots is a problem, it is a lot of hard work doing what I do, and most of the time it is a thankless job (not as recognized or praised as much as the "slayer"). I see no reason why the equipment I deploy in one suit should all-of-a-sudden vanish because I happen to be in a different suit with different equipment at some point in a match. I work very hard to get that equipment out on the board.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

Noticed the edit on the thread title. I think you might be overstating the quality of your "argument".

Dangit SMB, why did you feed this troll such juicy and easily misrepresented information? The OPs underdeveloped critical thinking skills were all but certain to take it and run like this. He even thinks your on his side!

Sorry, bro. Truthfully, I just want answers. The bug report seriously pissed me off because it's ridiculous to call creative, innovative play a "bug". Many logis have this function to thank for all of the amazing support possibilities that are currently available to them. Take this capability away and our class becomes far less dynamic and the game becomes less fun. Hell, removing our ability to move tons of equipment across the map to support our team goes against what the name of our class is predicated upon. WE ARE LOGISTICS!

If this is true, what is the point of limiting equipment slots? Might as well make logi really easy to fit and let us all fit all logi?

No reason to limit slots if all you have to do is switch at a depot to drop all... Its a game bug and you're exploiting it - enjoy for now until you need real skill to be a good Logi !!

The real fix it to have dropped equipment cost players isk then. If you drop a top end spawn you lose the isk equal to the cost of equipping it.

You have to see that having the ability to drop expensive equipment and then switch suits and not risking any lose for the equipment drops is unfair? Other have to risk and do good in combat to get the same points as a logi risking nothing.

It's not like we never die in our best gear, dude. On average, my deaths cost WAY more than yours do, bud. I promise you that.

It's not like we never die in our best gear, dude. On average, my deaths cost WAY more than yours do, bud. I promise you that.

Couldn't agree more, it already cost a but load of money to be a logi. And if I have to pay to deply equipment, then you slayers should have to pay for bullets, and you should have to pay me directly if any of those bullets came from one of my nanos, and you should have to pay me for repairing your suit, and rezing you. How do you like them apples?

The real fix it to have dropped equipment cost players isk then. If you drop a top end spawn you lose the isk equal to the cost of equipping it.

You have to see that having the ability to drop expensive equipment and then switch suits and not risking any lose for the equipment drops is unfair? Other have to risk and do good in combat to get the same points as a logi risking nothing.

There is PLENTY of risk!

A Logi is running around in a squishy expensive fit at or past the front line and will lose that it often enough to its serious ISK.
I personally lose enough fits supporting you that I could net more ISK running a BPO Assault suit.

You think only of the suit after the equipment is placed. You don't consider the danger and expense required to place it, as if I can spawn at the ground base and magically transport it to the front line without putting myself at risk.

Like I've told others before, try it yourself and see if it's as easy as you think before crying about it. It's easy to spout ignorant opinions, it's another to do the research.

The research is done and CCP says its a bug and logi players are exploiting it. So who is ignorant here?

Our suits require CPU and PG to run equipment. When you lose the suit your equipment should lose its remote power source and be disconnected like DRONES in EVE.. you leave and they go dead!

How about the ability to pick them up and move them? But still no switching suits bs....

The research is done and CCP says its a bug and logi players are exploiting it. So who is ignorant here?

Our suits require CPU and PG to run equipment. When you lose the suit your equipment should lose its remote power source and be disconnected like DRONES in EVE.. you leave and they go dead!

How about the ability to pick them up and move them? But still no switching suits bs....

You mean before you run back and switch suits at a supply depot - then your safe and just have to let the points roll in well you afk in the MCC or run around in a cheap noob suit LOL

You mean before you run back and switch suits at a supply depot - then your safe and just have to let the points roll in well you afk in the MCC or run around in a cheap noob suit LOL

I am not pushing anything through.. I noticed the problem and there was already a CCP note about the bug and exploit - Your exploiting a bug and it will be fixed.. it is not some logi skill...

You angry towards me is unwarranted. I did nothing to push anything.

I sort of get what you are saying OP, I just found this thread funny because i never thought i would see a nerf the logi doing his role thread as opposed to nerf logi slayers, ar's, forges, mass drivers, tanks....

I sort of get what you are saying OP, I just found this thread funny because i never thought i would see a nerf the logi doing his role thread as opposed to nerf logi slayers, ar's, forges, mass drivers, tanks....

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

Oh dang...
You know you're wrong when a dev posts something that contradicts you.

I went 20-6 in a match, got 1392 WP wearing a logi suit, I think I did alright as a logi that round.

EDIT: never mind....I did the math and I only got 392 WP from logi-ing

CCP calls it a bug - I am all cool with skilled logi. But there is no risk to drop top end gear and swap suits to something cheap. Its exploiting the game mechanics and known issues.

I say revive should give logi +120 if the player returns to 100% health (stoping the stabby to die for the logi to get +60 - way to common).

Active Scan should = points. Nanohives should give way more points.. but the suit swap is not cool.

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

I play dedicated logi most of the time and I agree with the above.

- They have to increase the wp gain from advanced and proto revive needles, or decrease the warpoint gains from militia and standard needles. As it is now, I get more wp using a standard needled and rep the revived team mate than using a proto needle with no additional repping needed.

- I always found it odd that I could resupply my equipment at a supply depot, that takes away some of the strategic droplink and hive placement. You can spam away with your equipment, go back and resupply it and return to spam more equipment. I sometimes change to a proto logi with 4xproto and advanced hives that I drop all over the place and go back to change into a cheaper logi suit.

- The supply depot gives the logi player an option to drop proto equipment with very little risc as you can change back into cheap fittings after dropping the equipment.

You claim 'dedicated' logi, yet:
1. Better needle = better survivability = getting back into action faster = better chance of team winning. While it's agreed that better needle should give you slightly more WP, if you're too focused on WP gain, you're not a 'dedicated' logi, just another WPwhore. I'd rather stick a 80% needle to my teammate, than use a basic/militia one and waste yet more time repping him to full health, meaning I have to carry both a needle AND a repper, using 2 of my equipment slots.

2. Being able to resupply your equipment at a supply depots is one of a few things that make a logi be able to do its job. If this is removed, watch skirmish games turn into utter shite as players run around with no ammo, no friendly depots (since tanks kill them), and no other way to resupply apart from dying. As it is, I waste more time hopping into an LAV to get back to the redline supply depot just so that I can refill my mates' ammo.

3. So, by your logic, the logi player drops proto equipment down near the supply depot and swaps to a cheap suit? Or are you saying the logi player drops proto equipment near the front lines and runs back to supply depot thereby increasing the risk of getting popped, seen or harassed by the opposing team in transit? If the former, those are useless equipment and don't help the team, if the latter, then fairplay since the logi has a higher risk to himself while assaults just crouch behind cover and enjoy the benefits of my equipment.

1. I do run with proto and advanced needles, but often run after milita medics reviving with their tiny needle. And I am busy trying to keep the revived soldiers alive cursing for not getting to use my proto needle. And also, I try to stay alive and quickly cap out on repping warpoint gains. And yet I still run with the rep tool repping getting no points for the effort.

2. This will hurt both sides, and actually add a stratetic layer where assaults have to hold back spraying their assault rifles, knowning only a few nano hives will be available. The logi will get much more valuable and drop his nano hives where they will not be destroyed. Making the logistics part much more important, just like in real life where wars has been won or lost depending on the logistics resupply of ammunition.

3. Both, my proto gallente nano hive build has 1000+ ehp, I run out and drop all hives behind own team mates, safe from reddots and got back and change into cheap logi suits. The risc is very little doing this, ok, sometimes I get blown up by a random grenade or forge gun, but that is rare.
I mostly only run in proto suits to drop proto equipment when a supply depot is available to change back into cheaper suits. My proto logi suits costs 220k+, why risc it when I can benefit from the proto equipement and only run a 30k isk suit at the frontline?

EDIT:
3. I usually drops gauged nano hive and triage nanohives in clusters before changing back into cheaper logi suits. That give me plenty of triage points and supply points and yet only risc loosing 30-40k isk on my normal goto logi suits.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

If this is true, what is the point of limiting equipment slots? Might as well make logi really easy to fit and let us all fit all logi?

No reason to limit slots if all you have to do is switch at a depot to drop all... Its a game bug and you're exploiting it - enjoy for now until you need real skill to be a good Logi !!

Great another post about a logi being OP when doing their job. I can beat my clan mates having less than 5 kills when they have 20 - 38 kills. But thats once every 3-5 games, and only when everything goes my way and only under specific circumstances. Most games Im in the top 5-10 but thats just because I have about 8 mil SP tied up in pure support logistics.

I would like to see how much assaults would start complaining if we stopped supplying them with anything.

Will vehicle scanner wp reward work like active scanner for infantry?

By your argument, you should never have your ammo restocked unless it's from a nanohive and it should carry through games, every time you change your suit or die you should lose the war points and kills you made with that suit, and you should never be allowed to carry equipment.
logi equipment especially full proto logi tend to be super expensive i would say logi suits are actually the most expensive to fit full proto with each individual equipment costing over 20k some almost 30 k...generally 3-4 of these proto equip a proto weapon nade ....if you fit a bpo sever suit with all bpo modules and 3 proto nano's...(nano spam suit) with just the 3 proto nanos it costs 90 k..thats more than the average bluebie suit and is has no hp no firepower just good logi equipment. i would say fully upped my logis tend to be 200k - 250k apiece the only suit i have that costs more than my charybdis .


Equipment does cost you, just like everything else except the starter fits... You die you lose it. That doesn't mean you don't restock it at the supply depot. See previous statement.

I have been having similar results. More WP from killing than Logi activities. I've been more combat oriented because I can't see when someone needs reps and just keep shooting instead of whipping out my repair tool. The only repairs ive been doing are the ones I do right after I revive someone. I'm just not noticing hurt people anymore. This is a problem.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

[BUG] Unlimited Equipment using Supply Depots - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108231&find=unread
Status: We're aware of this issue and it's on the backlog to be fixed

Thank you Logibro for fixing this bug ! LOL

The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.

The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.

Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day.

You cannot devalue other styles of play, but the most valuable player knows how to do many things. Here are a couple of examples from recent games.

1.
I came in 2nd on the leaderboard, 1-6. My squad mates went 27-3, 23-4. Why? It might have something to do with them not having to go looking for nanohives, them not dying and maintaining an aggressive front. Maybe it had something to do with knowing where the enemy was, or that they could focus on killing when I'm hacking twice as fast. My unbalanced KDR FACILITATED 50 kills.

2.
My team was off the objective, we were stalemated in domination and could not cap that objective on the bridge. Recognizing the power of the enemy team was largely due to their spawn locations and a steady overwatch by forges, I brought in my logistics LAV and ran disruption, preventing the team from being able to reinforce the objective, and forcing the forges to shoot at me. At the same time, I'd drop nanohives into the core of the group and rep some people while repairing my vehicle on cool down times. There was a stark difference in how the game went from that point on and we came back from almost nothing left on our MCC to winning the battle.

Logis know how to facilitate their team, and at times will sacrifice themselves for victory. Don't be petty and whine about getting paid more for getting kills, since you may have done so as a result of their hard work.

Don't get full of yourself Logi SCUM all you do is throw down equipment... IE hold down R3 and Tap R1.

You just mad cos Im stylin on you.

All you do is press L1 and then R1. And sometimes you even skip the first part.

2 can play that game, buddy.

Sorry brahhhh, but you got it all wrong. I actually do a useful job on the battlefield. Its called killing. Anyways, I'm so good at it that games only seem to last 3-4 minutes. Therefore, you LogiSCUM don't have time to farm easy WP; making me #1.

Im yet to see you in a match. And anyone from your corp really.

That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.

And you have to remember what type you dropped where when it comes time to replace expended and destroyed equipment.

Yeah, there's some real logistics involved.

I usually have a positive KDR but i finish the match in first, often by 1000+ WP. I'm good at my job as a logi, what can I say?

I could have a better KDR (and do on an alt) but I'm ok playing unselfishly and running around a 2.20. It makes me happy to help others and I love trolling the enemy by filling the heavy back up that they thought they could finish off.

I start off every match sprinting to the objectives to drop a spawn point or two (Rolf Airlines)

Next I change my suit to a slower but fully equipped logi and rep/refil/revive until the cows come home!

Don't hate on logibros, be glad we're there.

That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.

No skills?! Try to top the chart getting those scores the logi way then (pics of it, please).

Getting those scores takes a lot of work actually. You have to constantly evaluate the battlefield, adjusting strategies and make the best use of your gear.

You get WP because people use your stuff, you know? So, you must be making some good use of it, no?!

I get high WP because I'm bringing up non-stop support in the entire game length. One does not simply get high SP while sitting on his/her arse.

...and eh!... Being a logi is expensive... ISK and SP wise.

Just try; you'll see.


(I have a really bad K/DR, but I manage to pull this once! Suck it up OP! )

That's a separate issue. Yes, you shouldn't be able to spam an unlimited amount of equipment, but a logibro using their equipment efficiently should and can still make a massive difference and is capable of racking up an impressive number of war points.

I never encountered such a bug.

All droppable gear have:

Max Active: X

Max Carried: X


I guess a glitch would bypass those limits.

Things have always worked as intented for me. If you go over your maximum limit for one particular gear, the previous ones in excess will dissapear.

KDR is not the be-all, end-all of shooters. KDR is important in Crawl On Dookie, which has created this mono dimensional mindset that people get into.
It isn't always a Logi thing either...
Today, I had a 2/38/9 match with my HMG. Top of my team's board. (38 assists, FFS)
That UplinkHackScout that put you in position to win deserves just as much credit as anyone else on the team, even if he never pulled the trigger.
That AVer that took out the HAV that had your team pinned down, probably went negative trying to clear your exit.

Pew pew pew gets boring, fast. No matter the win margin or length of epeen stroke.

The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs.

The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS.

Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day.

I never encountered such a bug.

All droppable gear have:

Max Active: X

Max Carried: X


I guess a glitch would bypass those limits.

Things have always worked as intented for me. If you go over your maximum limit for one particular gear, the previous ones in excess will dissapear.

LOL one more AR maffia, believing al that that don't use AR is OP or EASY.

As so many stated, your assault play don't cost any close to a fully spec logi. Not even saying what al the droppships we loose to your militia FURGE GUN cost.

I tryed your play and to get 20-3 or similar with a AR is EASY BRO even if I only have like 1 Miljon sp into assult. Try that with only 1 million into logi gear.

So go and hide under a rock and play with your scrub AA believing you are a slayer.

Oh almost forgot if you assult guys would be better at your job, my uplinks would not generate WP.

A blueberry actually complaining about logis doing their jobs? *facepalm*

[...] Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi

As a dedicated logibro (no, the name isn't just for show) this is not unusual for me to come close to the top or even top the leaderboard as a logistics with less kills than other people. Keep in mind that a kill is +50wp, while a revive is +60wp with additional triage points while you rep them back to full health. Then throw in resupplys or team spawns. And to think it's only going to get better when we add in points for scanning targets that then get killed.

The Logibro life is a good life.

Funny!!

Skilled logi is not the issue. the multiply equipment drops with no risk to losing costly suits.. When more combat types require the risk of losing isk and costly suits to make #1 is sad.

It requires no skill and gives people a lot of xp/isk/wp not cool. That should go to the most skilled not the ones droping militia logi and nanoinjecting people in combat to die again just for SP... You know its true!

Awww

^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them.

Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi

lol, i have a .41 KDR and i am averaging 400K wp over my first 2 months.
i apparently don't have a clue as to what I am doing!!!!
I'm the guy that will stab you in the back to save your drop suit and if a red dot comes around the corner I run at him to take the bullets my self.
So obviously I'm NOT a team player and I DON'T deserve the WP's for it....
Let me know when your down and I will be sure to let you bleed out if that's the way you feel...

CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks.

How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them.

Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them.

I think we have conclusively established, by near-universal assent of the DUST 514 community, that OP is a moron and ReGnUM is a troll.

I love this idea then you could choose to use your tools on a teammate and not on a TOOL!

Freedom of speech

However sometimes it's better to think before you speak.

A wise old man once told me.

Talking before thinking is like wiping your behind before having a S H I T

^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them.

Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi

you're crying because ppl are gaining meaningless WP that doesnt even boost their SP much. and how is this effecting you? you seem to put to much importance on a pub match scoreboard that no one will even care about or bother to remember.

Man I welcome you to try. You'll be greeted by my remote explosive and a freedom to the face.

Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi.

If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol

it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it...

Lame



Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post?

I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics!

Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense.

UplinkHackScout appreciates your appreciation.

This.

Though in 1.4 it's not unusual to gain high WP and have decent KDR. Unless a squad has a scanner...

I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics!

Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense.

I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics!

Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense.

Agreed. CCP Logibro, throw us a (more specific) bone here! What, exactly, is the "bug" and how is it supposed to be fixed. If not currently "working as intended" then what IS intended?

^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them.

Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi

If I had to guess, I would say:

One has 3 Fittings (3 for simplicity)

Fitting 1: Minmatar [STARTER FIT] with a Standard Nanohive

Fitting 2: Minmatar Standard Medium Basic Frame with a Standard Nanohive

Fitting 3: Minmatar Standard Logistics with a Standard Nanohive

I'm guessing by switching between these fittings that, because they are different dropsuits, one could deploy 6 Standard Nanohives instead of only 2.

Just a guess, I really have no Idea because I'm a Heavy.