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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 10	Posted - 2013.09.16 15:54:00 - [181] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: First Prophet wrote: Should've gone 21/0. Funny!! Skilled logi is not the issue. the multiply equipment drops with no risk to losing costly suits.. When more combat types require the risk of losing isk and costly suits to make #1 is sad. It requires no skill and gives people a lot of xp/isk/wp not cool. That should go to the most skilled not the ones droping militia logi and nanoinjecting people in combat to die again just for SP... You know its true! Awww It may use no skill, but it helps teammates out a lot.
J Lav OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 215	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:02:00 - [182] - Quote Goon ReGnUM wrote: ^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them. Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi You are deliberately missing the point. Logis alone are useless, nobody here has said we should all be logis. At most 1 good logi a squad is all that is needed, maybe 1 every 2 squads. Now to be fair, a squad of assaults with good planning can run without a Logi. However I've seen one logi and 2 heavies cream wave after wave of assaults and scouts when holding an objective. There is a time to shoot and a time to rep, the guys who don't know the difference are just not very good. Think of time as a commodity and you'll see that an assault hacking an objective is redundant when i can hack it in half the time, while that assault is killing people. There is a point where too many people are shooting one guy for example, there is only one kill and the guy is already as good as dead. So what do the other people do? Other actions that help the team and facilitate the victory.
See-No-Evil Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:18:00 - [183] - Quote Good luck slaying when you have no ammo and can't spawn outside of objectives. Two teams fight against one another, each have equal skill. The team the uses 2 or 3 logi will win over those that don't. Even the team with all logi would win because they have more flexibility. Its actually 100x easier to play as a slayer, because you point and shoot. Logis must rep, place hives/links, scan and pick up teammates. Just wait until they fix the repping mechanics, then you will see logi top the boards more frequently.
Doc Browner Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 132	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:20:00 - [184] - Quote lol, i have a .41 KDR and i am averaging 400K wp over my first 2 months. i apparently don't have a clue as to what I am doing!!!! I'm the guy that will stab you in the back to save your drop suit and if a red dot comes around the corner I run at him to take the bullets my self. So obviously I'm NOT a team player and I DON'T deserve the WP's for it.... Let me know when your down and I will be sure to let you bleed out if that's the way you feel...
Doc Browner Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 132	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:27:00 - [185] - Quote also PLEASE Dont use my up links, Spawn from the MCC everytime. You dont deserve to use my uplinks
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2095	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:32:00 - [186] - Quote CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks. How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them. Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 399	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:34:00 - [187] - Quote Doc Browner wrote: lol, i have a .41 KDR and i am averaging 400K wp over my first 2 months. i apparently don't have a clue as to what I am doing!!!! I'm the guy that will stab you in the back to save your drop suit and if a red dot comes around the corner I run at him to take the bullets my self. So obviously I'm NOT a team player and I DON'T deserve the WP's for it.... Let me know when your down and I will be sure to let you bleed out if that's the way you feel... Couldn't have said it better myself, I revive someone and then draw the raspberries fire while the guy I revived gets to cover. Then I run over and heal him.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 67	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:37:00 - [188] - Quote lol is this guy like the most hated at the forums now? The support for the dedicated ( not the assult guy in a logi dress ) was something I needed. To al that have defended the logibro thumbs up. The rest, don't spawn at uplinks other then your own, don't resupply at the hives and when you die don't w8 to get revived ( better to insta spawn at home base and have a long lone walk back to the lines if its a problem giving away "easy" WP.
Al the destroyer The Phoenix Federation 17	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:38:00 - [189] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks. How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them. Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them. I love this idea then you could choose to use your tools on a teammate and not on a TOOL!
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 372	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:40:00 - [190] - Quote I think we have conclusively established, by near-universal assent of the DUST 514 community, that OP is a moron and ReGnUM is a troll.

Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 67	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:48:00 - [191] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think we have conclusively established, by near-universal assent of the DUST 514 community, that OP is a moron and ReGnUM is a troll. Freedom of speech However sometimes it's better to think before you speak. A wise old man once told me. Talking before thinking is like wiping your behind before having a S H I T
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2095	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:56:00 - [192] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP was talking about creating squad based uplinks. How do you feel about being able to create a "ban list" for your equipment? You could place mercs who clearly don't want your help on the list and said equipment wouldn't work for them. Extend that to using another color for their bars and dots on the radar so we can decide whether or not to rez or repair them. I love this idea then you could choose to use your tools on a teammate and not on a TOOL! This is the New Eden way, isn't it? It would also facilitate bounties by alerting you to the presence of your prey.
Al the destroyer The Phoenix Federation 18	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:56:00 - [193] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think we have conclusively established, by near-universal assent of the DUST 514 community, that OP is a moron and ReGnUM is a troll. Freedom of speech However sometimes it's better to think before you speak. A wise old man once told me. Talking before thinking is like wiping your behind before having a S H I T Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!!
Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1320	Posted - 2013.09.16 17:17:00 - [194] - Quote I'm a Logi with a 1.8 KDR that reps, revives, and gives you assault saps ammo. Sounds like a T_T thread to me.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 10	Posted - 2013.09.16 17:56:00 - [195] - Quote Goon ReGnUM wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Goon ReGnUM wrote: The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs. The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS. Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day. LOL one more AR maffia, believing al that that don't use AR is OP or EASY. As so many stated, your assault play don't cost any close to a fully spec logi. Not even saying what al the droppships we loose to your militia FURGE GUN cost. I tryed your play and to get 20-3 or similar with a AR is EASY BRO even if I only have like 1 Miljon sp into assult. Try that with only 1 million into logi gear. So go and hide under a rock and play with your scrub AA believing you are a slayer. Oh almost forgot if you assult guys would be better at your job, my uplinks would not generate WP. ^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them. Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi Man I welcome you to try. You'll be greeted by my remote explosive and a freedom to the face.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 435	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:03:00 - [196] - Quote Totally justified!! Without decent logibros the team will run out of ammo and can't spawn back quickly...or can't save clones. KD ratio is totally irrelevant as a logibro, your goal is to SUPPORT THE TEAM. And since your kill rate will automatically go down if you do that, they should get compensated accordingly. Often when I run as a logibro I make it possible for my entire team to hold a crucial location...without me, they couldn't do that...and that includes the heavy who ges 20 kill in return.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 970	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:19:00 - [197] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi. If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it... Lame you're crying because ppl are gaining meaningless WP that doesnt even boost their SP much. and how is this effecting you? you seem to put to much importance on a pub match scoreboard that no one will even care about or bother to remember. WP accrual in a match directly correlates with how much money you as a player gets. And each WP is 1 SP.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 71	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:34:00 - [198] - Quote Atiim wrote: Goon ReGnUM wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Goon ReGnUM wrote: The Logi role is arguably the easiest role in Dust 514. The ability to just throw equipment down and passively farm WP is just pathetic, and is clearly scene with the abundance of Logi players in Pubs. The idea that you can be number one in WP and not kill is completely absurd for a FPS. Anyways, I'd still easily take 1 Slayer over 10 Logis in PC any day. LOL one more AR maffia, believing al that that don't use AR is OP or EASY. As so many stated, your assault play don't cost any close to a fully spec logi. Not even saying what al the droppships we loose to your militia FURGE GUN cost. I tryed your play and to get 20-3 or similar with a AR is EASY BRO even if I only have like 1 Miljon sp into assult. Try that with only 1 million into logi gear. So go and hide under a rock and play with your scrub AA believing you are a slayer. Oh almost forgot if you assult guys would be better at your job, my uplinks would not generate WP. ^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them. Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi Man I welcome you to try. You'll be greeted by my remote explosive and a freedom to the face. Let him go on on his rant. He is only bitter that ppl play the game with al of its variables. My guess is that he is a alt even! Slayer, lol know one person that uses that word a lot when had talks about the game but he is banned from the forums. Piece out slayer dude.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 628	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:42:00 - [199] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Players are toping the charts with 1 kill and 15 deaths over players with 20 kills 0 deaths because they are dropping logi. If you drop a spawn point and go to a supply depot you can change suits drop a nanohive, change again and have a nanoinjector - all will work for you at the same time, even if you die a bunch. Its almost like cheating lol it requires no skill and no game knowledge, but you will get the most WP and most ISK and most Exp from it... Lame Quote: [BUG] Unlimited Equipment using Supply Depots - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108231&find=unread Status: We're aware of this issue and it's on the backlog to be fixed Logibro - Your comments here do not match the above. Did you read this post? You put too much emphasis on the importance of K/D. Helping your team with nanohives, uplinks, repairs, hacking objectives and installations, etc. is just as important (and in many cases far more important) as getting kills. This is why the end of match scoreboard reflects the highest WP in order from highest to lowest instead of highest kills from highest to lowest, because helping your team trumps everything. Sure, you can win a skirmish by cloning the enemy, but that's rarely the smartest approach unless you wanna risk loosing a lot of ISK in the process.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 245	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:48:00 - [200] - Quote I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanhive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense.

Aisha Ctarl Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1320	Posted - 2013.09.16 18:56:00 - [201] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense. Pretty much this. It bugs me that people complain that it isn't fair that logis can switch between suits and get their equipment back to help support their team. IT IS A LOGI'S JOB TO SUPPORT HIS/HER TEAM. Not everyone plays the "charges into battle blindly and shoot the bad guys" play style....some of us like helping and supporting our team. We should be able to utilize are equipment freely to do so without any type of preventative.
Ku Shala Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 491	Posted - 2013.09.16 19:05:00 - [202] - Quote so as a logi it is frowned apon that I use a supply depot ? Logibro hugs for everyone and a dirty needle for the OP while he is still getting shot
Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 141	Posted - 2013.09.16 19:15:00 - [203] - Quote Gh0st C0de wrote: Rynoceros wrote: KDR is not the be-all, end-all of shooters. KDR is important in Crawl On Dookie, which has created this mono dimensional mindset that people get into. It isn't always a Logi thing either... Today, I had a 2/38/9 match with my HMG. Top of my team's board. (38 assists, FFS) That UplinkHackScout that put you in position to win deserves just as much credit as anyone else on the team, even if he never pulled the trigger. That AVer that took out the HAV that had your team pinned down, probably went negative trying to clear your exit. Pew pew pew gets boring, fast. No matter the win margin or length of epeen stroke. UplinkHackScout appreciates your appreciation. This. Though in 1.4 it's not unusual to gain high WP and have decent KDR. Unless a squad has a scanner...
Bulldozza Smash Ultramarine Corp 10	Posted - 2013.09.16 19:38:00 - [204] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Gh0st C0de wrote: Rynoceros wrote: KDR is not the be-all, end-all of shooters. KDR is important in Crawl On Dookie, which has created this mono dimensional mindset that people get into. It isn't always a Logi thing either... Today, I had a 2/38/9 match with my HMG. Top of my team's board. (38 assists, FFS) That UplinkHackScout that put you in position to win deserves just as much credit as anyone else on the team, even if he never pulled the trigger. That AVer that took out the HAV that had your team pinned down, probably went negative trying to clear your exit. Pew pew pew gets boring, fast. No matter the win margin or length of epeen stroke. UplinkHackScout appreciates your appreciation. This. Though in 1.4 it's not unusual to gain high WP and have decent KDR. Unless a squad has a scanner... That's it, !.4 is amazing compared to 1.3 for hit markers = damage... My KDR has gone up by 1.3 and still climbing every match :) Heavies have an easier time dropping guys due to the hits actually hitting, one of my Directors Master Jaraiya is a dedicated heavy (see his posts from before) and like he stated Logi is key to his ever climbing KDR. yes there are logi out the that are not good at killing but they make more then up for it in supporting the team and get the WPs to show it.... That is how you judge a logis worth not his KDR his WP, hell thats how you judge all mercs worth plain and simple. LOVE TO THE LOGI Bulldozza Smash CEO Ultramarine Corp
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 400	Posted - 2013.09.16 21:32:00 - [205] - Quote I tossed away a decent KD of 1.5 (before I got good :p) to receive a .89 KD so I can rep rez, and resupplying you frontline heavies and assaults. Do I get a thank you? Nope. Instead I get no cover fire while I try to revive more of you guys. Instead, I lay down my own cover fire and I often absorb more damage then a heavy can even dream of so stop QQing OP. If you are on my team in a battle, ill make sure to be close to you when you get wrecked by the heavy I didn't demolish.
Blaze Ashra Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.16 22:21:00 - [206] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense. From what I gather it's a way to get infinite copies of a single equipment such as militia drop uplink x infinity and that's what's being fixed.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 93	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:06:00 - [207] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense. Agreed. CCP Logibro, throw us a (more specific) bone here! What, exactly, is the "bug" and how is it supposed to be fixed. If not currently "working as intended" then what IS intended?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 775	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:40:00 - [208] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense. Agreed. CCP Logibro, throw us a (more specific) bone here! What, exactly, is the "bug" and how is it supposed to be fixed. If not currently "working as intended" then what IS intended? If I had to guess, I would say: One has 3 Fittings (3 for simplicity) Fitting 1: Minmatar [STARTER FIT] with a Standard Nanohive Fitting 2: Minmatar Standard Medium Basic Frame with a Standard Nanohive Fitting 3: Minmatar Standard Logistics with a Standard Nanohive I'm guessing by switching between these fittings that, because they are different dropsuits, one could deploy 6 Standard Nanohives instead of only 2. Just a guess, I really have no Idea because I'm a Heavy.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 448	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:44:00 - [209] - Quote Goon ReGnUM wrote: ^ A bad Logi pathetically defending his easymode behavior, by attacking the roles that actually win games for them. Bottom line: A team only of slayers will destroy a team of only Logi A bunch of assaults attack a point and are introduced to the logi's MD A bunch of assaults defend an area but what they don't know is they will run out of bullets long b4 the logis do. A lone wolf assault try's to flank a bunch of logis and gets scanned then mobbed. An assault attempts to hack a point and is blown to hell with REs. The assault clears an area of logis but are then surrounded by the very logis they have just killed not 8 seconds ago thanks to there strategic uplink placement. Let's not forget the butt-load of WPs they will be getting from supporting one-another so I suggest you keep a roof overhead as the forecast is partly cloudy with a 100% chance of orbitals. Oh, you thought it was just equipment that logis focused on? Lol only a fool fails to see the full potential of there allies/opponents. As a scout, I have died many times by logis utilizing there many sub-roles and I can say without a doubt that a single logi can change the tide of an entire battle. Someone said that a logi is useless by themselves but this only applies to "Bros" aka "medics". A DemoLogi can easily destroy a handful of proto assaults (Logis in my corp have done it on countless occasions). @OP: I get there your gripe isn't the logis doing there job but the way they are going about it(supply depot bug) but in all honesty I can't really see a problem with it. Not to mention the fact that most players think that the bug is actually by design. I am, however, grateful for the information on the bug as I was one of those not aware of it. If this bug is going to be fixed anyway then, when you think about it, there was really no point in this thread `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 448	Posted - 2013.09.16 23:47:00 - [210] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I still don't understand this supply depot/equipment nerf that's in the works. People keep saying that spamming gear isn't strategic, but if you actually study warfare you know that logistics is largely a numbers game. The side that can supply more food, clothes, and bullets to its forces often has a huge advantage. In other words, quantity matters in logistics! Again, why does the marketplace have so many similar types of uplinks and hives if we aren't supposed to be able to use them in suit switches? Why would I continue to regularly purchase every proto uplink and nanohive on the market if deploying one pops the other? It makes no sense. Agreed. CCP Logibro, throw us a (more specific) bone here! What, exactly, is the "bug" and how is it supposed to be fixed. If not currently "working as intended" then what IS intended? If I had to guess, I would say: One has 3 Fittings (3 for simplicity) Fitting 1: Minmatar [STARTER FIT] with a Standard Nanohive Fitting 2: Minmatar Standard Medium Basic Frame with a Standard Nanohive Fitting 3: Minmatar Standard Logistics with a Standard Nanohive I'm guessing by switching between these fittings that, because they are different dropsuits, one could deploy 6 Standard Nanohives instead of only 2. Just a guess, I really have no Idea because I'm a Heavy. No, This will result in your hives destroying each other. Could be that you can resupply equipment by refitting but that too is just a guess. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.



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